Honda - another disaster ?

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Smollet said:

thegreenhell said:

Pot makes accusations towards the kettle

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-finds-a...

I saw this and thought the name calling now begins in earnest.

find it had to adapt to being part of honda's 10 year plan of having their name associated with F1 and Mclaren

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Smollet said:

thegreenhell said:

Pot makes accusations towards the kettle

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-finds-a...

I saw this and thought the name calling now begins in earnest.

Yes they dont like changing from finishing races to not finishing races.

[noell35]

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132048/honda-cha...

McLaren get massive Honda update at last race. McLaren get one two finish 2 seconds ahead of Hamilton. Honda go to Torro Rosso.

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noell35 said:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132048/honda-cha...

McLaren get massive Honda update at last race. McLaren get one two finish 2 seconds ahead of Hamilton. Honda go to Torro Rosso.

I'll take a fiver on engine sts it's crankshaft within 5 laps.

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I'm expecting a spectacular fireworks display.

[anonymous-user]

McLaren currently supply the electrical systems and batteries in the package. Honda will have to develop their own next year. That alone is going to be a mammoth task.

[thegreenhell]

jsf said:

McLaren currently supply the electrical systems and batteries in the package. Honda will have to develop their own next year. That alone is going to be a mammoth task.

Haven't McLaren also said that they aren't supplying a gearbox, so that's something else new for STR-Honda to figure out.

[anonymous-user]

thegreenhell said:

Haven't McLaren also said that they aren't supplying a gearbox, so that's something else new for STR-Honda to figure out.

Yes

[2fast748]

jsf said:

McLaren currently supply the electrical systems and batteries in the package.

I didn't know this, will they be using Renault's next year?

[CraigyMc]

2fast748 said:

jsf said:

McLaren currently supply the electrical systems and batteries in the package.

I didn't know this, will they be using Renault's next year?

TBD. Probably yes.

[anonymous-user]

CraigyMc said:

2fast748 said:

jsf said:

McLaren currently supply the electrical systems and batteries in the package.

I didn't know this, will they be using Renault's next year?

TBD. Probably yes.

I don't know. It may be the tie up with Renault and McLaren, which looks to be on better terms than Red Bull, could lead to a joint Renault/McLaren system moving both of them forward, with Red Bull getting the Renault only system. Not sure what the powertrain rules specify on the equivalence of supply terms for the electrical systems.

[CraigyMc]

jsf said:

I don't know. It may be the tie up with Renault and McLaren, which looks to be on better terms than Red Bull, could lead to a joint Renault/McLaren system moving both of them forward, with Red Bull getting the Renault only system. Not sure what the powertrain rules specify on the equivalence of supply terms for the electrical systems.

The parts will be homologated.

It'll be a Renault system most likely - the only reason McLaren did the eMachine on the Honda is that Honda had no recent experience of the thing.

Honda were hiring mechanical and electrical engineers for this stuff earlier in the year for the MK site....and now I know why

[anonymous-user]

McLaren supply a lot of the electronic systems on all the cars in F1, it could be they could help Renault develop their PU in this area faster than if they were doing it on their own. If they have to supply to all the same spec we could see that helping make all the Renault powered teams gain performance. I would expect both parties will have their positives to bring on this aspect.

[lee_fr200]

honda concerns me in general with their quality control,

they've traced vandoornes problems to a shaft problem, and it turned out to be a bad batch! why the hell wasn't that picked up before it was fitted into the car!

seriously honda! they sound like amateurs

[anonymous-user]

They aren't the first and they wont be the last to have a bad batch issue on a component. It happens, sometimes you cant find these issues without destroying the parts post initial failure. You have to remember these parts are made to the absolute limit of their spec, there is no spare meat in them, so there is always the risk of a failure compared to a normal production part that has a large amount of over engineering in the design.

[MissChief]

thegreenhell said:

Haven't McLaren also said that they aren't supplying a gearbox, so that's something else new for STR-Honda to figure out.

I'm almost positive I read that part of the Toro Rosso/Renault/Honda/McLaren deal was TR also being supplied gearboxes by McL?

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MissChief said:

I'm almost positive I read that part of the Toro Rosso/Renault/Honda/McLaren deal was TR also being supplied gearboxes by McL?

thst was certainly the case in the Sauber deal, but I'm not so sure it forms part of the STR deal

[DanielSan]

noell35 said:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132048/honda-cha...

McLaren get massive Honda update at last race. McLaren get one two finish 2 seconds ahead of Hamilton. Honda go to Torro Rosso.

That sounds like corporate for we just aren't going to bother doing any updates and the big one will be 'late'

[HustleRussell]

DanielSan said:

noell35 said:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132048/honda-cha...

McLaren get massive Honda update at last race. McLaren get one two finish 2 seconds ahead of Hamilton. Honda go to Torro Rosso.

That sounds like corporate for we just aren't going to bother doing any updates and the big one will be 'late'

sounds a lot like it when Hasegawa doesn't know if this 'big' upgrade is going to be ready this weekend or next month.

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HustleRussell said:

DanielSan said:

noell35 said:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132048/honda-cha...

McLaren get massive Honda update at last race. McLaren get one two finish 2 seconds ahead of Hamilton. Honda go to Torro Rosso.

That sounds like corporate for we just aren't going to bother doing any updates and the big one will be 'late'

sounds a lot like it when Hasegawa doesn't know if this 'big' upgrade is going to be ready this weekend or next month.

Yep - article full of ifs and maybes. We want to score points, but we wouldn't introduce an upgrade at Suzuka and get penalised even if it was for the good of the team... er? PR-wise, you're fked if you do and fked if you don't mate.

Got to be honest, I'm just massively sad Honda have failed so comprehensively, not only in misunderstanding the initial scope of the problem (hard to build a competetive engine) but then failing to adapt in any perceptible way over the life of the partnership. I have always had respect for their road cars as being innovative, but they seem stuck in the 20th century on this one. Bearing in mind their last set of decisions around F1 was to pull out, leaving the best chassis by a mile high and dry for an engine, the last decade of F1 isn't exactly rosy for them. If they are in long term, they need to accept their mid-pack at best position, stop tail-chasing and get into the political lobbying for the next engine specs change, influencing it as best possible in their favour.