Proposed 'shield', halo alternative, unveiled

Proposed 'shield', halo alternative, unveiled

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Eric Mc

121,984 posts

265 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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It would probably fail an MOT test.

kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Eric Mc said:
It would probably fail an MOT test.
hehe I think there's quite a lot of things on an F1 car which would fail an MoT test.

mon the fish

1,416 posts

148 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Whose actual idea was this, as I can't remember. Everyone over the last couple of years just seems to have accepted its introduction as inevitable, rather than coming across as the main backer of the idea

kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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I think it was the GPDA that made the initial demand for improved head protection?

p1stonhead

25,540 posts

167 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Someone explain quickly why this is better than a small screen?

kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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p1stonhead said:
Someone explain quickly why this is better than a small screen?
Put simply, they couldn't get a screen to pass the tests in the time-frame they'd set themselves to introduce some form of head protection. I don't think anyone would bet against them switching to a screen at some point in the next few years.

Cold

15,243 posts

90 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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mp3manager

4,254 posts

196 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Can someone explain how the halo will prevent another Massa eye injury?


kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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mp3manager said:
Can someone explain how the halo will prevent another Massa eye injury?
I don't think anyone has ever claimed that it will?

StevieBee

12,874 posts

255 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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mp3manager said:
Can someone explain how the halo will prevent another Massa eye injury?

I don't think it will.

In any case, Massa lived to race another day. The argument for the Halo is rooted in the accident that took the life of Jules Bianchi and the very many very near misses before and since.

I don't have issue with the concept but cannot for the life of me understand how, in an industry noted for engineering excellence and design, that a more elegant solution could not have been created.

The Moose

22,845 posts

209 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Eric Mc said:
It would probably fail an MOT test.
What a stupid comment.

HTP99

22,539 posts

140 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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StevieBee said:
mp3manager said:
Can someone explain how the halo will prevent another Massa eye injury?

I don't think it will.

In any case, Massa lived to race another day. The argument for the Halo is rooted in the accident that took the life of Jules Bianchi and the very many very near misses before and since.

I don't have issue with the concept but cannot for the life of me understand how, in an industry noted for engineering excellence and design, that a more elegant solution could not have been created.
That's the issue, it wouldn't have saved Bianchi.

p1stonhead

25,540 posts

167 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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HTP99 said:
StevieBee said:
mp3manager said:
Can someone explain how the halo will prevent another Massa eye injury?

I don't think it will.

In any case, Massa lived to race another day. The argument for the Halo is rooted in the accident that took the life of Jules Bianchi and the very many very near misses before and since.

I don't have issue with the concept but cannot for the life of me understand how, in an industry noted for engineering excellence and design, that a more elegant solution could not have been created.
That's the issue, it wouldn't have saved Bianchi.
It wouldnt? Apparently it can withstand 12 tonnes of force on it.....

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/...

Eric Mc

121,984 posts

265 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Was Bianchi killed by a head injury caused by the blow to the head or the G-Force applied to his head by the sudden stop?

Halos do nothing for the latter.

budgie smuggler

5,379 posts

159 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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p1stonhead said:
It wouldnt? Apparently it can withstand 12 tonnes of force on it.....

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/...
Don't think so mate, sensors measured the crash at 254 G

p1stonhead

25,540 posts

167 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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budgie smuggler said:
p1stonhead said:
It wouldnt? Apparently it can withstand 12 tonnes of force on it.....

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2018/...
Don't think so mate, sensors measured the crash at 254 G
Ah.....

Yeah perhaps not then.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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The VSC was introduced to stop another Bianci incident, now, until the race is neutralised, no heavy equipment is allowed in front of the barriers.

Massa's injury led to new helmet specs that have to include a reinforced visor section above the visor sight line, which would stop the damage you see to Massa's helmet and face.

The Halo isn't designed to stop either incident, if anything it has the potential in Massa's case to deflect the spring into the drivers unprotected chest and throat area.

kambites

67,553 posts

221 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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The only way it could have helped Bianchi is if it had either lifted the truck and allowed the car to go under it, or deflected the car, reducing the instantaneous forces involved. I dont think either is likely.

fomb

1,402 posts

211 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Halo is more intended for the incidents that Justin Wilson and Henry Surtees had. Massa's incident is only blockable with a closed canopy, and Bianchis is only preventable by slowing down.

IIRC Halo has been in development for a few years now, only being pushed to the forefront in the last year or so.

8V085

670 posts

77 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Henry Surtees most likely but Wilson would have been safer behind plexi (which would have also definitely helped Massa)