Proposed 'shield', halo alternative, unveiled

[HTP99]

CoolHands said:

In simple terms which head injuries would this have, in reality, prevented? Is the massa spring hit the only one? I can't remember anyone getting struck on the head apart from him.

Exactly, it wouldn't have helped Bianchi, Justin Wilson (hit on top of head by a wheel, I think), or Henry Surtees (hit on top of head by a wheel).

I think the FIA whant to be seen to be doing something but in reality whatever is proposed wouldn't really have made a great deal of difference, if any.

Personally, motorsport is dangerous, the drivers know this, it is up to them if they want to compete, you can't cover everything and F1 is the safest it has ever been.

Edited by HTP99 on Monday 10th July 10:48

[Evangelion]

GCH said:

... may as well just go closed cockpit and put wipers on ...

I often wonder why, in this current era of health and safety hysteria, single-seaters still have open cockpits when others don't.

[Dr Z]

Vettel will be trying it out in Silverstone practice;

[Ahonen]

eccles said:

jsf said:

You cant put a curved screen in front of a driver in a single seater, it completely distorts the view making the car impossible to drive properly. Anyone who has worked with a single seater knows this.

Yeah, 'cause LMP and aircraft don't have curved screens right in front of the driver!

The radius is much tighter on a single seater than either of your examples. I assume you were just playing devil's advocate though and already knew that. I know that the screen companies had a heck of a challenge making the screens on the recent LMP1 cars precisely because of the need to avoid distortion.

[patmahe]

I'd like to see the result of a wheel being fired at that like the test they did with the canopy when it was being considered. I could be wrong but I don't think it would fair too well.

Red Bull's solution still looks the most effective too me and is not that dissimilar to the shield if they are concerned about aesthetics


Both in my opinion look better than the halo

[Hyena]

Anything but that fk awful Halo. Please.

[Eric Mc]

I like that Ferrari screen.

[Crafty_]

patmahe said:

I'd like to see the result of a wheel being fired at that like the test they did with the canopy when it was being considered. I could be wrong but I don't think it would fair too well.

FIA said they aren't worried about wheels hitting people any more, the shield is not meant to protect from that.

This is meant for "smaller debris", which the Halo was accepted not to protect against.

So they've done a 180.

I'm still confused as to what they are trying to achieve to be honest. I think they're doing something for the sake of it.
Massa got injured by small debris, have there been any other accidents ?

Horner thinks they are rushing it through: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/horner-warns-sh...

Another pic:

So where does the cut out neutral switch and crash light go ?
It looks pretty awkward for someone outside the car to remove the headrest ?

Just seems to be a whole lot of pissing around to achieve little.

[GCH]

Looks bloody awful

[Evo Sean]

Question; What's the aero concern for intake air. The screen, although reasonably raked in terms of angle, looks like it could deflect air up and over the intake aperture above the drivers head. Much like a screen on a motorbike.

Do you think the teams will have some input as to the aero dynamic profile of the screen to better direct air towards the intake duct?

Additionally, will this change the air flow towards the back of the car significantly enough to warrant some aero updates and creating an area of opportunity for some teams?

The screen fitted to the Ferrari for this weekend looks like the neatest solution and certainly impacts the aesthetics of the car the least. IMO.

[Eric Mc]

Air box problem solved -

[DS240]

Let's remember this is a prototype to test the idea on something not originally designed to integrate it.

Should it go ahead then everything will be designed around it a bit more cohesively I would think.

[Europa1]

Crafty_ said:

FIA said they aren't worried about wheels hitting people any more, the shield is not meant to protect from that.

This is meant for "smaller debris", which the Halo was accepted not to protect against.

So they've done a 180.

I'm still confused as to what they are trying to achieve to be honest. I think they're doing something for the sake of it.
Massa got injured by small debris, have there been any other accidents ?

Horner thinks they are rushing it through: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/horner-warns-sh...



Just seems to be a whole lot of pissing around to achieve little.

I agree; the FIA seems to be painting itself into a corner, pushing for "head protection" but a lack of clarity as to what it is supposed to protect against.

My understanding is that neither the halo nor the shield were likely to have been much use in the accidents which killed Jules Bianchi and Maria de Villotta. Henry Surtees was killed by a loose wheel, but he was not racing in F1, and I have not read of any proposals that halos or shields be introduced in lower formulae. I am not aware of any serious small debris accidents in Forumla 1 since Felippe Massa was hit by that spring from the Brawn in 2009.

[Ahonen]

I thought the Ferrari screen looked oddly familiar but I couldn't work out why, then I realised...

The Caparo T1:

[thegreenhell]

Brabham was doing this 50 years ago

[Dr Z]

ash73 said:

Any feedback from Seb after the installation lap? I thought Kimi's car looked a bit old fashioned without it, when they were running line astern.

He was apparently not entirely happy with it, reporting some visibility issues.

Some pics on track:





AMuS reporting that there's pressure to shift introduction of this to 2019 as the 2018 cars are well underway and the original design proposed by the FIA cannot be integrated well into the current-2018 chassis designs, to make it look and work more cohesively.

[Evangelion]

Dunno why people are going on about the aesthetics of this, it's virtually invisible when out on track, particularly when compared with the chunks of ugliness that sprout all over F1's these days.

[kambites]

Indeed, aestetically it's the least of the problems these cars have.

[louiechevy]

Whatever they finally decide to use it doesn't mater to me what it looks like as long as it improves driver safety. Although to be honest I can't see that this one will. I've watched formula one as long as I can remember I'm fifty-two, in the first twenty six years just counting race weekends fourteen drivers were killed three due to head injuries the remainder divided between fires and injuries caused by a crash, in the last twenty six years three driver's have been killed two from head injuries. And the numbers of serious injuries has fallen even more dramatically. And Vettle has just said amongst other things it made him feel dizzy!

[anonymous-user]

Surely something like this "adapted" would be better.

Obviously not like this picture but with the same protection.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 14th July 16:02