Bernie Ecclestone sinks to new low....
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C Lee Farquar said:
Am I the only one who found his deal making fascinating?
He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
If you like deal making I am sure it was fascinating . But I have watched Grands Prix for 40 odd years because ..ermm..I sort of like racing ,,. He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
coppice said:
If you like deal making I am sure it was fascinating . But I have watched Grands Prix for 40 odd years because ..ermm..I sort of like racing ,,.
Me too. To me it has been part of the racing, the depth, the context.I also find the racing more enjoyable when you consider all the people in the teams, their combined efforts condensed to the two drivers on the grid.
As a season viewer I think you get so much more from F1 than someone who dips in for the odd race, their enjoyment is limited to what happens on track that day.
I'm also a satisfied customer, I like the Sky coverage. I'm not that interested in Hamilton sharing topless pictures of himself or any other social media. So I don't subscribe and it doesn't bother me.
coppice said:
C Lee Farquar said:
Am I the only one who found his deal making fascinating?
He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
If you like deal making I am sure it was fascinating . But I have watched Grands Prix for 40 odd years because ..ermm..I sort of like racing ,,. He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
Where Bernie is concerned the taste bar is set very low, so think you're probably OK:
"What I would really like to see happen is to find the right girl, perhaps a black girl with super looks, preferably Jewish or Muslim, who speaks Spanish," he once told Autosport, per ESPN.
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"In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose," Ecclestone began, "but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people, able to get things done."
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"Women should be all dressed in white like all the other domestic appliances."
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"With [Vladimir] Putin, he says he's going to do something, he gets on it, does it."
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"The publicity generated by his death was so much... it was good for F1." Ecclestone told a Brazilian newspaper regarding the death of the legendary Ayrton Senna.
...plenty more on t'internet.
"What I would really like to see happen is to find the right girl, perhaps a black girl with super looks, preferably Jewish or Muslim, who speaks Spanish," he once told Autosport, per ESPN.
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"In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose," Ecclestone began, "but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people, able to get things done."
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"Women should be all dressed in white like all the other domestic appliances."
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"With [Vladimir] Putin, he says he's going to do something, he gets on it, does it."
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"The publicity generated by his death was so much... it was good for F1." Ecclestone told a Brazilian newspaper regarding the death of the legendary Ayrton Senna.
...plenty more on t'internet.
swisstoni said:
I grew to like Bernie in a strange way - he was in such a position of power that he did not have to give one s
t what anyone thought.
I'm sure he was always doling out those sound bites for a laugh.
I'm sure he was doing it specifically to be controversial and get some press coverage. There's no such thing as bad publicity, allegedly.t what anyone thought. I'm sure he was always doling out those sound bites for a laugh.
C Lee Farquar said:
Am I the only one who found his deal making fascinating?
He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
I'm with you on this.He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
I've been interested in his method, mode and motives for time longer than he's been a known entity. How he went about selling bikes in Bromley and Houses in Romford is exactly the same as how he went about flogging F1 to TV companies, kings and sheiks. The only thing that changed was the commodity and the number of zeros after the first number.
I'm not certain that F1 would exist today if it were not for him. If it did, certainly not to the level and dynamism that we have today.
That's not to say what he did was right and my own belief is that he failed to see the limit of his own worth to the future growth of the sport. Should have stepped aside when the world went all www.
StevieBee said:
C Lee Farquar said:
Am I the only one who found his deal making fascinating?
He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
I'm with you on this.He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
I've been interested in his method, mode and motives for time longer than he's been a known entity. How he went about selling bikes in Bromley and Houses in Romford is exactly the same as how he went about flogging F1 to TV companies, kings and sheiks. The only thing that changed was the commodity and the number of zeros after the first number.
I'm not certain that F1 would exist today if it were not for him. If it did, certainly not to the level and dynamism that we have today.
That's not to say what he did was right and my own belief is that he failed to see the limit of his own worth to the future growth of the sport. Should have stepped aside when the world went all www.
The sooner people realise Ecclestone is the reason they have been able to watch F1 for free, the more reassuring this thread becomes.
Last time the Premier League was free to air, anyone!?
StevieBee said:
C Lee Farquar said:
Am I the only one who found his deal making fascinating?
He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
I'm with you on this.He successfully negotiated with World leaders and businessmen from all corners of the globe, nearly always to his/F1's benefit.
Personally I think it highly unlikely that the man with the improbable moustache will be able to fill his boots, but will see. To me it's all part of the show.
I've been interested in his method, mode and motives for time longer than he's been a known entity. How he went about selling bikes in Bromley and Houses in Romford is exactly the same as how he went about flogging F1 to TV companies, kings and sheiks. The only thing that changed was the commodity and the number of zeros after the first number.
I'm not certain that F1 would exist today if it were not for him. If it did, certainly not to the level and dynamism that we have today.
That's not to say what he did was right and my own belief is that he failed to see the limit of his own worth to the future growth of the sport. Should have stepped aside when the world went all www.
BE sells hope. That is, with precisely no exceptions, what all very successful people do. The degree to which one has to be able to deliver upon that hope is related only to the length of the likely commercial relationship.
If you're selling tat from a market stall, the product needn't be good - passing trade is all. Larger and longer need a different delivery mechanism.
I'd characterise BE as a master hope-monger. There are very few to rival him, in any industry or discipline.
Most people just can't think clearly or directly enough to sell as well as he has; they get bogged down in too much detail, they carry too much baggage.
I think Liberty can build upon what he did; I doubt very much that they could have built what he did.
If you're selling tat from a market stall, the product needn't be good - passing trade is all. Larger and longer need a different delivery mechanism.
I'd characterise BE as a master hope-monger. There are very few to rival him, in any industry or discipline.
Most people just can't think clearly or directly enough to sell as well as he has; they get bogged down in too much detail, they carry too much baggage.
I think Liberty can build upon what he did; I doubt very much that they could have built what he did.
He is often characterised as a benign dictator. Which , to me , is the best oxymoron in the book. Having paid out increasingly ludicrous prices to watch Grands Prix , I am not altogether happy at having indirectly contributed to BAR s notorious carbon fibre bog seats , let alone directing my few quid to Ecclestone's estimated 4.2 billion
coppice said:
He is often characterised as a benign dictator. Which , to me , is the best oxymoron in the book. Having paid out increasingly ludicrous prices to watch Grands Prix , I am not altogether happy at having indirectly contributed to BAR s notorious carbon fibre bog seats , let alone directing my few quid to Ecclestone's estimated 4.2 billion
You, like the race promoters, musty be particularly enthralled to see that once Bernie had gouged you for every cent, he then just frittered great wads of it on his two vacuous daughters, who have galloped around the world buying mega homes, yachts and fake tits with it.coppice said:
He is often characterised as a benign dictator. Which , to me , is the best oxymoron in the book. Having paid out increasingly ludicrous prices to watch Grands Prix , I am not altogether happy at having indirectly contributed to BAR s notorious carbon fibre bog seats , let alone directing my few quid to Ecclestone's estimated 4.2 billion
From my marshalling days, at the British GP, we used to get £1 for the practice days, and £2 for race day!!. I remember BE making a disparaging remark about British marshals once, the ones acknowledge as the best in the world. There was a threat of all 1000 of us walking away from the GP. That would’ve screwed BE completely. See, money isn’t the solution to everything/anything!!Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff