Jenson Button at Monaco – what will happen?
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robbieduncan said:
Do any engines he uses/destroys count agains Alonso's total? If not Honda could supply an experimental engine that might or might not give more performance with little risk
Engine totals count against the car, not the driver. So yes, he and alonso will share engine usage/penalties.Rich_W said:
DO we actually think he's getting paid for this?
I would have imagined his "ambassadorial" role for Woking F1 means he might get his costs refunded. I mean its not like he needs accommodation for the weekend.
I've no idea what Welshbeef is rattling on about, but whatever payment Button is getting would be tied up in the contract he signed to be 3rd driver - my guess is that he gets paid a wage, any race he takes part in he'll get extra for and probably a fee if he does sim work or consultancy work with the race team.I would have imagined his "ambassadorial" role for Woking F1 means he might get his costs refunded. I mean its not like he needs accommodation for the weekend.
Edited by Crafty_ on Saturday 22 April 20:47
robbieduncan said:
Do any engines he uses/destroys count agains Alonso's total? If not Honda could supply an experimental engine that might or might not give more performance with little risk
Honda will not be able to supply anything other than their "standard" engine/power unit, which has been approved by the FIA. How do you think Honda could come up with "an experimental engine" that "might give more performance with little risk" at short notice when they've had three years or more and come up with the weakest, least reliable engine on the grid?By the time we get to Monaco they will have started to use the fifth or sixth "components" so Button and VanDoorne are likely to be starting at, or near, the back, at a circuit where overtaking is very, very difficult without a significant power advantage. Which they don't have.
Rich_W said:
DO we actually think he's getting paid for this?
I would have imagined his "ambassadorial" role for Woking F1 means he might get his costs refunded. I mean its not like he needs accommodation for the weekend.
His role would imply an overall fixed retainer (paid by sponsors) and a per race fee with a points multiplier.I would have imagined his "ambassadorial" role for Woking F1 means he might get his costs refunded. I mean its not like he needs accommodation for the weekend.
Dermot O'Logical said:
robbieduncan said:
Do any engines he uses/destroys count agains Alonso's total? If not Honda could supply an experimental engine that might or might not give more performance with little risk
Honda will not be able to supply anything other than their "standard" engine/power unit, which has been approved by the FIA. How do you think Honda could come up with "an experimental engine" that "might give more performance with little risk" at short notice when they've had three years or more and come up with the weakest, least reliable engine on the grid?By the time we get to Monaco they will have started to use the fifth or sixth "components" so Button and VanDoorne are likely to be starting at, or near, the back, at a circuit where overtaking is very, very difficult without a significant power advantage. Which they don't have.
Surely Honda has 2 issues.
Reliability and power.
If they can sort the reliability, (which they claim was good at the Bahrain test), the low(er) power would not put them as at much of a disadvantage as other circuits.
If 1) it rains,2) the reliability IS improved, I would not be surprised to see a decent finish from Button.
Reliability and power.
If they can sort the reliability, (which they claim was good at the Bahrain test), the low(er) power would not put them as at much of a disadvantage as other circuits.
If 1) it rains,2) the reliability IS improved, I would not be surprised to see a decent finish from Button.
I think the question the OP hints at here s "is JB better, or a more canny driver than Fernando?" Can he achieve the impossible?
Absolutely not! I think the real question is "Can Fernandy win the Indy 500?"
This prospect has me wondering how I can watch the race? Can Fernando really do it?
I think we know that whoever wins pole at Monaco, will probably win the race. Fernando could qualify 8th- 10th and still have a great chance of crossing the finishing line first.
F1 lacks that uncertainty. If you are a fan of Ocon, or the Hulk, you really need to believe that your favourite driver just might win.
As things stand, we all know that, just like JB, they are in the wrong car. Not being in a non-works can makes them also rans from when the lights go out.
Absolutely not! I think the real question is "Can Fernandy win the Indy 500?"
This prospect has me wondering how I can watch the race? Can Fernando really do it?
I think we know that whoever wins pole at Monaco, will probably win the race. Fernando could qualify 8th- 10th and still have a great chance of crossing the finishing line first.
F1 lacks that uncertainty. If you are a fan of Ocon, or the Hulk, you really need to believe that your favourite driver just might win.
As things stand, we all know that, just like JB, they are in the wrong car. Not being in a non-works can makes them also rans from when the lights go out.
rdjohn said:
I think the question the OP hints at here s "is JB better, or a more canny driver than Fernando?" Can he achieve the impossible?
Absolutely not! I think the real question is "Can Fernandy win the Indy 500?"
This prospect has me wondering how I can watch the race? Can Fernando really do it?
I think we know that whoever wins pole at Monaco, will probably win the race. Fernando could qualify 8th- 10th and still have a great chance of crossing the finishing line first.
F1 lacks that uncertainty. If you are a fan of Ocon, or the Hulk, you really need to believe that your favourite driver just might win.
As things stand, we all know that, just like JB, they are in the wrong car. Not being in a non-works can makes them also rans from when the lights go out.
Well rdjohn a few things were going through my mind, actually when I wrote the thread I wanted to say "JB can win this and upset Alonso (by winning a race Alonso chose not to drive in)" or something equally stupid Absolutely not! I think the real question is "Can Fernandy win the Indy 500?"
This prospect has me wondering how I can watch the race? Can Fernando really do it?
I think we know that whoever wins pole at Monaco, will probably win the race. Fernando could qualify 8th- 10th and still have a great chance of crossing the finishing line first.
F1 lacks that uncertainty. If you are a fan of Ocon, or the Hulk, you really need to believe that your favourite driver just might win.
As things stand, we all know that, just like JB, they are in the wrong car. Not being in a non-works can makes them also rans from when the lights go out.
You're right though about Alonso, it may have wider implications (I think you may be thinking the same thing??) - if he has a strong result (or wins) who's to say he won't walk away from Macca (mid season) as some people have suggested from time to time? In this case to take on a drive States-side.
Likes Fast Cars said:
Well rdjohn a few things were going through my mind, actually when I wrote the thread I wanted to say "JB can win this and upset Alonso (by winning a race Alonso chose not to drive in)" or something equally stupid
You're right though about Alonso, it may have wider implications (I think you may be thinking the same thing??) - if he has a strong result (or wins) who's to say he won't walk away from Macca (mid season) as some people have suggested from time to time? In this case to take on a drive States-side.
Very unlikely, as this Indy drive is funded by McLaren-Honda.You're right though about Alonso, it may have wider implications (I think you may be thinking the same thing??) - if he has a strong result (or wins) who's to say he won't walk away from Macca (mid season) as some people have suggested from time to time? In this case to take on a drive States-side.
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