The Official 2017 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[Maty]

PurpleAki said:

Maybe so, but if in doubt don't talk, laugh and joke. Just stay still and quiet FFS.

It's solemn moment for people have lost their lives.

This!

It's a minutes silence. Doesn't matter whether you're late or not. Just shut the fk up and wait till it's over, especially if all the cameras are on you.

[Hungrymc]

PurpleAki said:

Maybe so, but if in doubt don't talk, laugh and joke. Just stay still and quiet FFS.

It's solemn moment for people have lost their lives.

100% agree, it was obvious what was happening.

[Hungrymc]

ClockworkCupcake said:

VolvoT5 said:

Wow, just seen Kimi's intereview where he just admitted they have 'certain roles' within the team and yes he was just coasting after the pit stops because he had 'nothing to gain'.

Indeed. That's what I was referring to.

Quite an admission.

Edit: Having said that, I still say that Vettel earned it. He hung back, conserved his tyres, and put in some devastatingly quick laps when it counted in order to get the overcut.

Edit2: Pat Symonds saying much the same - only he says that Kimi had the opportunity of clean air and didn't take it.

Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Sunday 28th May 16:19

I really don't see Seb being gifted that. He just went much faster than Kimi with the overcut. I've no doubt Ferrari would have swapped them, but they didn't have to.

[768]

Hungrymc said:

I really don't see Seb being gifted that. He just went much faster than Kimi with the overcut. I've no doubt Ferrari would have swapped them, but they didn't have to.

Curious that Seb was able to go much faster despite qualifying slower and not having clean air before then.

[deadslow]

Hungrymc said:

I really don't see Seb being gifted that. He just went much faster than Kimi with the overcut.

^^ this, sorry , nothing to see here

[GCH]

The race was about as exciting as the podium

[ClockworkCupcake]

Hungrymc said:

I really don't see Seb being gifted that. He just went much faster than Kimi with the overcut. I've no doubt Ferrari would have swapped them, but they didn't have to.

Indeed.

[Allyc85]

Well that was crap until Button's optimistic move on the Sauber. I don't mind races where the cars are running closely, but for most of it it was just so spread out.

Can't blame Ferrari for giving Vettel the better strategy. Kimi has been "number 2" for a long time now. The team could do with moving on from him.

[peter tdci]

Hungrymc said:

I really don't see Seb being gifted that. He just went much faster than Kimi with the overcut. I've no doubt Ferrari would have swapped them, but they didn't have to.

Some interesting comments in the notebook thing on Sky about the strategy. There was no hint that the overcut would be the better option until hindsight kicked in, Indeed, it looked like Mercedes were going for the undercut by bringing Bottas in first. It sounded like Raikkonen wanted to pit, but maybe Ferrari were covering the undercut as well?

Vettel was always able to stay within a couple of seconds of Raikkonen before the pitstops, so he always looked like he had the pace to go faster than his team mate.

[VolvoT5]

Allyc85 said:

Well that was crap until Button's optimistic move on the Sauber. I don't mind races where the cars are running closely, but for most of it it was just so spread out.

Can't blame Ferrari for giving Vettel the better strategy. Kimi has been "number 2" for a long time now. The team could do with moving on from him.

Yeah but as I said above which better/faster driver would now sign to Ferrari knowing that Vettel has a #1 status contract and will therefore always get better treatment. I certainly can't see the likes of Ricciardo or Verstappen going there under those circumstances and Vettel we now know that probably has a veto on his team mate anyway.

[Newscuttlepanel]

Fwiw, I don't see the Ferrari swap as a strat call, just a case of Vettel being faster in the race, but regardless, would you blame them? Realistically do you see it being Kimi or Seb in the title fight at the sharp end?

[Hungrymc]

Allyc85 said:

Well that was crap until Button's optimistic move on the Sauber. I don't mind races where the cars are running closely, but for most of it it was just so spread out.

I didn't think it a smart move from Jenson. I understand why he'd be frustrated and was trying to exploit a blue flag opportunity, but it wasn't a good move.

The following closely thing. I think we just have to accept it as a consequence of the extra aero. It was always a likely consequence despite the positivity they tried to sell (its underbody so Turbulent air won't be an issue etc etc). There will still be battles, F1 will still be a spectacle, but we are into a era of speed and tactics more than wheel to wheel racing (we keep seeing a 2 second / lap delta not being enough to lead to an overtake).

[Crafty_]

There is little point in trying to moan about f1 at Monaco, its usually like this. The only thing that makes it unpredictable is rain.

Its always been the same, no matter what cars.

[l354uge]

I don't want to flog a dead horse on overtaking but they really should bring back active and advanced underfloor aero. Less turbulence and can actually be applied to road cars in some way (can reduce drag with fancy floors, cant see mercs knife bargeboard being TUV approved anytime soon.

[markcoznottz]

l354uge said:

I don't want to flog a dead horse on overtaking but they really should bring back active and advanced underfloor aero. Less turbulence and can actually be applied to road cars in some way (can reduce drag with fancy floors, cant see mercs knife bargeboard being TUV approved anytime soon.

It's run for the benefit of the shareholders nowadays and the circus of hangers on. Fundamental changes don't ever seem to happen.

[Crafty_]

l354uge said:

I don't want to flog a dead horse on overtaking but they really should bring back active and advanced underfloor aero. Less turbulence and can actually be applied to road cars in some way (can reduce drag with fancy floors, cant see mercs knife bargeboard being TUV approved anytime soon.

There is plenty of underfloor aero going on, the issue is that you still have lots of aero going on up top.

If you added "ground effect" it wouldn't solve anything. just give higher cornering speeds. Brawn's job will be to change the aero rules to take away the issues that current aero packages create, not just add more downforce.

I don't think you're going to apply underfloor aero to road cars unless you run them very low to the ground, which isn't going to happen.

[swisstoni]

I hope Monaco manage to scape enough money together to resurface the road for next year.

[l354uge]

Crafty_ said:

There is plenty of underfloor aero going on, the issue is that you still have lots of aero going on up top.

If you added "ground effect" it wouldn't solve anything. just give higher cornering speeds. Brawn's job will be to change the aero rules to take away the issues that current aero packages create, not just add more downforce.

I don't think you're going to apply underfloor aero to road cars unless you run them very low to the ground, which isn't going to happen.

Nowhere near as much underfloor aero as there used to be, if they add downforce using the ground effect then they can reduce the wings and elements that cause the turbulence. I'm not talking of adding ground effect to road cars, just a better understanding of the floor area

[HustleRussell]

swisstoni said:

I hope Monaco manage to scape enough money together to resurface the road for next year.

They resurfaced the significant portion of it for this season.

[Vaud]

Crafty_ said:

There is little point in trying to moan about f1 at Monaco, its usually like this. The only thing that makes it unpredictable is rain.

Its always been the same, no matter what cars.

I agree and concur... the odd race throws in some action, I remember 1996... and the cars are so reliable these days!