The Official 2017 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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s, as Brundle once said, and for saying which he was pulled up.So.......
What we have here is 3 years of Mercedes allowing their drivers to fight, and Hamilton not requesting favoratism...
...but Ferrari and Vettel get a sniff at the championship and install team orders about 1/4 way through the season. What should be an exciting championship is now being manufactured by Ferrari and vettel.
Not only do they have the fastest car but also a number one driver...kinda feels like the red bull/ vettel days eh?! No wonder I hated those days
What we have here is 3 years of Mercedes allowing their drivers to fight, and Hamilton not requesting favoratism...
...but Ferrari and Vettel get a sniff at the championship and install team orders about 1/4 way through the season. What should be an exciting championship is now being manufactured by Ferrari and vettel.
Not only do they have the fastest car but also a number one driver...kinda feels like the red bull/ vettel days eh?! No wonder I hated those days
37chevy said:
So.......
What we have here is 3 years of Mercedes allowing their drivers to fight, and Hamilton not requesting favoratism...
...but Ferrari and Vettel get a sniff at the championship and install team orders about 1/4 way through the season. What should be an exciting championship is now being manufactured by Ferrari and vettel.
Not only do they have the fastest car but also a number one driver...kinda feels like the red bull/ vettel days eh?! No wonder I hated those days
What we have here is 3 years of Mercedes allowing their drivers to fight, and Hamilton not requesting favoratism...
...but Ferrari and Vettel get a sniff at the championship and install team orders about 1/4 way through the season. What should be an exciting championship is now being manufactured by Ferrari and vettel.
Not only do they have the fastest car but also a number one driver...kinda feels like the red bull/ vettel days eh?! No wonder I hated those days
37chevy said:
So.......
What we have here is 3 years of Mercedes allowing their drivers to fight, and Hamilton not requesting favoratism...
...but Ferrari and Vettel get a sniff at the championship and install team orders about 1/4 way through the season. What should be an exciting championship is now being manufactured by Ferrari and vettel.
Not only do they have the fastest car but also a number one driver...kinda feels like the red bull/ vettel days eh?! No wonder I hated those days
This is ignoring the team order by Mercedes this season I presume?What we have here is 3 years of Mercedes allowing their drivers to fight, and Hamilton not requesting favoratism...
...but Ferrari and Vettel get a sniff at the championship and install team orders about 1/4 way through the season. What should be an exciting championship is now being manufactured by Ferrari and vettel.
Not only do they have the fastest car but also a number one driver...kinda feels like the red bull/ vettel days eh?! No wonder I hated those days
37chevy said:
So.......
What we have here is 3 years of Mercedes allowing their drivers to fight, and Hamilton not requesting favoratism...
...but Ferrari and Vettel get a sniff at the championship and install team orders about 1/4 way through the season. What should be an exciting championship is now being manufactured by Ferrari and vettel.
Not only do they have the fastest car but also a number one driver...kinda feels like the red bull/ vettel days eh?! No wonder I hated those days
When the Mercedes could start from the back of the grid and still finish in the top three it was probably easy to be fairly relaxed about team orders. Having said that, there never seemed to be a shortage of conspiracy theories here when Rosberg finished ahead of Hamilton What we have here is 3 years of Mercedes allowing their drivers to fight, and Hamilton not requesting favoratism...
...but Ferrari and Vettel get a sniff at the championship and install team orders about 1/4 way through the season. What should be an exciting championship is now being manufactured by Ferrari and vettel.
Not only do they have the fastest car but also a number one driver...kinda feels like the red bull/ vettel days eh?! No wonder I hated those days
NRS said:
This is ignoring the team order by Mercedes this season I presume?
Nope! Not at all!!!! Just stating I don't want it to become a vettel/ red bull thing again. Shows the hypocrisy of some on pistonheads that hated Hamilton over the last few years because it was a 1 horse race...and now the prancing horses are doing well...one seems to be lame and is being readied to be put down...
Vaud said:
Do we know Ferrari had team orders?
Only with Kimi in the lead and (probably) having first call, and rejoining into clean air, it looks to me more that Vettel made more from his laps on worn tires, up to the point he caught up the Sauber (who neatly pitted).
Kimi requested to pit, so they pitted him (as I presume he was within whatever window they wanted). Simple as that really.Only with Kimi in the lead and (probably) having first call, and rejoining into clean air, it looks to me more that Vettel made more from his laps on worn tires, up to the point he caught up the Sauber (who neatly pitted).
Of course if Vettel had pitted first and came out in front people would be claiming it was a fix the other way.
vonuber said:
Kimi requested to pit, so they pitted him (as I presume he was within whatever window they wanted). Simple as that really.
Of course if Vettel had pitted first and came out in front people would be claiming it was a fix the other way.
Vettel is just faster in a race, these cars just suit him. Though Kimi was epic in quali.Of course if Vettel had pitted first and came out in front people would be claiming it was a fix the other way.
vonuber said:
Kimi requested to pit, so they pitted him (as I presume he was within whatever window they wanted). Simple as that really.
Of course if Vettel had pitted first and came out in front people would be claiming it was a fix the other way.
Well Kimi says he was told when to pit rather than requesting it.Of course if Vettel had pitted first and came out in front people would be claiming it was a fix the other way.
Before the race people were talking about staying out longest being advantageous today, but regardless of that I think it is more the 5? lap difference in strategy that was suspect. We have seen in recent years Mercedes nearly always called their drivers in one after the other as that is generally the fairest way to do it.
I mean flip the scenario today and do you think Ferrari would have allowed Raikkonen the chance to get those 3 or 4 fast laps in free air if he had been behind but with better pace.... no chance IMO.
Once all the cars got through the first lap cleanly I think there was precisely 0% chance Kimi was going to get the win today (assuming Vettel didn't throw it in the wall during the rest of the race).
37chevy said:
Nope! Not at all!!!! Just stating I don't want it to become a vettel/ red bull thing again.
Shows the hypocrisy of some on pistonheads that hated Hamilton over the last few years because it was a 1 horse race...and now the prancing horses are doing well...one seems to be lame and is being readied to be put down...
Mercedes this year have asked Bottas to step aside then messed with his overall race pace to stifle Seb they're no better than Ferrari both teams have a number two driver & will use them as such throughout the season.Shows the hypocrisy of some on pistonheads that hated Hamilton over the last few years because it was a 1 horse race...and now the prancing horses are doing well...one seems to be lame and is being readied to be put down...
In this case there wasn't a team order but a small window for Seb to see if he could overhaul Kimi which he did, but remember as I said before Kimi wanted to pit as his set up had eaten through his tyres more.
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