Kubica back in an F1 car
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M-SportMatt said:
Im sure it is, and is of interest to me also. No doubt he was highly rated as many are quoted as saying so, however there weren't any results to back this up apart from 4 seasons of matching Heidfeld and one season of destroying Petrov which to be fair wasn't hard.
I genuinely hope he does well and it would be good to see him complete his journey, but mercurial talent ranking alongside hamilton/vettel, best of a generation and all that jazz, no evidence to suggest this at all.
What makes you think Vettel is a 'mercurial talent'? He absolutely has to have a car that works in one specific way. Without that he is nowhere. Proof of this is his last year at RB when he was walked all over by Daniel Ricciardo.I genuinely hope he does well and it would be good to see him complete his journey, but mercurial talent ranking alongside hamilton/vettel, best of a generation and all that jazz, no evidence to suggest this at all.
KevinCamaroSS said:
What makes you think Vettel is a 'mercurial talent'? He absolutely has to have a car that works in one specific way. Without that he is nowhere. Proof of this is his last year at RB when he was walked all over by Daniel Ricciardo.
Or this year where he is beating Kimi and matching Hamilton?KevinCamaroSS said:
What makes you think Vettel is a 'mercurial talent'? He absolutely has to have a car that works in one specific way. Without that he is nowhere. Proof of this is his last year at RB when he was walked all over by Daniel Ricciardo.
I don't think he's on level with the very top drivers, but I don't think this is true.KevinCamaroSS said:
What makes you think Vettel is a 'mercurial talent'? He absolutely has to have a car that works in one specific way. Without that he is nowhere. Proof of this is his last year at RB when he was walked all over by Daniel Ricciardo.
Motivation is key in F1, you can't extract the last ounce of performance without it. Seb has his issues that year, Danny Ric is for me one of the Top Top drivers on the grid too.M-SportMatt said:
Take a look at this results?
Winning makes a champion, but you don't need to be winning to be a great driver. You can have a crap car, but push it to its limits and get good results. Kubica did this with the Renault in qualifying and races, which shows his ability. Verstappen isn't winning every grand prix and sitting on pole, but doesn't detract from his ability. He probably never untapped his full potential in the time he was in F1 but he was definately up and coming, not in obscurity.I like Kubica's attitude. He sounds like he knows it will be very hard to get back into F1, but he will not short cut into it or rush a return - so he is honest with his abilities. If he says he is close to ready, he probably is. F1 is about the best drivers, not the youngest. And I think it will be great PR and a money making opportunity for whichever team signs him up - IF he is ready. I like the idea that he is using a simulator and applying weights, shows how determined he is.
I wouldn't say he was particularly crash prone, either.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/40703059
Robert Kubica's return from life-changing injuries will take a step up when he drives a 2017 Renault at a test in Hungary on 2 August.
The 32-year-old Pole has not raced in Formula 1 since a horrific rally crash in 2011 left him with only partial movement in his right arm.
The test, Kubica's third for Renault, is described by the team as "a new phase in assessing [his] capabilities".
It will increase speculation about an impending - and remarkable - comeback.
Kubica's F1 career appeared to be over when he suffered multiple fractures and a partially severed right arm in the February 2011 crash, which happened a few weeks before he was due to start his second season with Renault.
He had previously driven for BMW Sauber, winning the 2008 Canadian Grand Prix, and was considered one of the sport's brightest talents - rated by some in a similar bracket to multiple world champions Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel.
Robert Kubica's return from life-changing injuries will take a step up when he drives a 2017 Renault at a test in Hungary on 2 August.
The 32-year-old Pole has not raced in Formula 1 since a horrific rally crash in 2011 left him with only partial movement in his right arm.
The test, Kubica's third for Renault, is described by the team as "a new phase in assessing [his] capabilities".
It will increase speculation about an impending - and remarkable - comeback.
Kubica's F1 career appeared to be over when he suffered multiple fractures and a partially severed right arm in the February 2011 crash, which happened a few weeks before he was due to start his second season with Renault.
He had previously driven for BMW Sauber, winning the 2008 Canadian Grand Prix, and was considered one of the sport's brightest talents - rated by some in a similar bracket to multiple world champions Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel.
Vaud said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
What makes you think Vettel is a 'mercurial talent'? He absolutely has to have a car that works in one specific way. Without that he is nowhere. Proof of this is his last year at RB when he was walked all over by Daniel Ricciardo.
Or this year where he is beating Kimi and matching Hamilton?Would you compare his skills to that of Alonso? I do not, nor to Ricciardo or Hamilton. As far as that goes I actually think Webber was better than Vettel, Webber lost out as he was not a RB program driver. Marko wanted Vettel to win.
As much as I'd love to see Robert back in F1, if I was in Renault's position I don't think I'd be taking the risk. Long term 3-5 years, Renault plan to be at championship winning pace, they have an excellent driver in Hulkenberg and in my opinion need to take a chance on a couple of younger drivers and assess them.
Most F1 drivers retire in their mid-late 30s which is the age Robert will be in 3-5 years, right when Renault plan to be properly competitive. I think I'd rather have 3 young drivers chomping at the bit, drivers that I've assessed and nurtured to be a perfect fit for my team.
All that said I'd love Robert to come back prove me wrong and win 3 world titles for Renault. But it comes down to whether you'd be prepared to take that gamble.
Most F1 drivers retire in their mid-late 30s which is the age Robert will be in 3-5 years, right when Renault plan to be properly competitive. I think I'd rather have 3 young drivers chomping at the bit, drivers that I've assessed and nurtured to be a perfect fit for my team.
All that said I'd love Robert to come back prove me wrong and win 3 world titles for Renault. But it comes down to whether you'd be prepared to take that gamble.
patmahe said:
As much as I'd love to see Robert back in F1, if I was in Renault's position I don't think I'd be taking the risk. Long term 3-5 years, Renault plan to be at championship winning pace, they have an excellent driver in Hulkenberg and in my opinion need to take a chance on a couple of younger drivers and assess them.
Most F1 drivers retire in their mid-late 30s which is the age Robert will be in 3-5 years, right when Renault plan to be properly competitive. I think I'd rather have 3 young drivers chomping at the bit, drivers that I've assessed and nurtured to be a perfect fit for my team.
All that said I'd love Robert to come back prove me wrong and win 3 world titles for Renault. But it comes down to whether you'd be prepared to take that gamble.
It's a low gamble. If he is fit then put him in the car for the balance of the year and rest Palmer. If he performs then give him a 1+1 contract.Most F1 drivers retire in their mid-late 30s which is the age Robert will be in 3-5 years, right when Renault plan to be properly competitive. I think I'd rather have 3 young drivers chomping at the bit, drivers that I've assessed and nurtured to be a perfect fit for my team.
All that said I'd love Robert to come back prove me wrong and win 3 world titles for Renault. But it comes down to whether you'd be prepared to take that gamble.
I read elsewhere that Kubica has been impressive in the 2017 simulator, posting times that better Hulk as well as Palmer. No idea if true or under what conditions though.
I always liked Kubica, his focus and determination are extremely easy to admire. For me he was streets ahead of Heidfeld - he had that certain something that makes an exciting racer. Canada 2018 saw him on the top step after a drive, that many felt, made Heidfeld look rather ordinary. Statistics be damned! I would rather watch Kubica on any Sunday afternoon.
If the Hungary test goes well.... will Renault be able to resist the temptation of putting him in the car for Spa? I hope not.
I always liked Kubica, his focus and determination are extremely easy to admire. For me he was streets ahead of Heidfeld - he had that certain something that makes an exciting racer. Canada 2018 saw him on the top step after a drive, that many felt, made Heidfeld look rather ordinary. Statistics be damned! I would rather watch Kubica on any Sunday afternoon.
If the Hungary test goes well.... will Renault be able to resist the temptation of putting him in the car for Spa? I hope not.
KevinCamaroSS said:
Vaud said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
What makes you think Vettel is a 'mercurial talent'? He absolutely has to have a car that works in one specific way. Without that he is nowhere. Proof of this is his last year at RB when he was walked all over by Daniel Ricciardo.
Or this year where he is beating Kimi and matching Hamilton?Would you compare his skills to that of Alonso? I do not, nor to Ricciardo or Hamilton. As far as that goes I actually think Webber was better than Vettel, Webber lost out as he was not a RB program driver. Marko wanted Vettel to win.
Webber was, and still is, a terrific bloke and a mighty fine racing driver. But he was beaten 5-0 in head to heads with Vettel.
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