Kubica back in an F1 car

Kubica back in an F1 car

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thegreenhell

15,285 posts

219 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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Kubica likely to test for Williams in coming weeks:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-set-test...

cuprabob

14,579 posts

214 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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rubystone said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
Maybe they're targetting 2019 for a Renault return - it seems Sainz is only signed up for next season.
Williams? Nope. Especially with Paddy Lowe there. Kubica would be a great story there but potentially a risk. They'd love Perez and his money though but he'll likely stay at Force India for 2018.
Perez is confirmed at Force India (One) for 2018

thegreenhell

15,285 posts

219 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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Silverstone test completed 'successfully'

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kubica-complete...

StevieBee

12,862 posts

255 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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Well, you've got to hand it to him.

Europa Jon

555 posts

123 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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There's been a flurry of media activity regarding Robert Kubica over the last few months. Many have said that his return to Formula 1 is just a dream, but why would Renault and Williams give him a test in a recent car? Surely if they weren't seriously considering him, they wouldn't waste all that time and money on a day's testing. Has anybody got an insight into this beyond mere speculation?

FourWheelDrift

88,494 posts

284 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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It get lots of media coverage and publicity for a team who'd like to have more sponsorship.

StevieBee

12,862 posts

255 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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Europa Jon said:
There's been a flurry of media activity regarding Robert Kubica over the last few months. Many have said that his return to Formula 1 is just a dream, but why would Renault and Williams give him a test in a recent car? Surely if they weren't seriously considering him, they wouldn't waste all that time and money on a day's testing. Has anybody got an insight into this beyond mere speculation?
Prior to his accident, he was - rightly - considered as a rising star capable of winning championships (deliberate use of plural) and in the same league as Vettel and possibly even Hamilton and Alonso. Added to this was that he is Polish. Poland is considered a very high priority market for the motor industry both as a manufacturing base and from a market growth perspective as well as many other consumer brands.

So Robert carried with him abundant talent and the financial clout (albeit indirectly, he wasn't a 'pay' driver IIRC) of the motor industry keen to capitalise upon the former to benefit the latter.

Had another similar Polish driver with the same level of talent cropped up, sadly, Kubica would likely be a footnote in the sports history books.

So, in short, there are a lot of people with vested interests keen to have a Polish driver complete at the sharp end of F1 and that the moment, their only hope is get Kubica back on the grid. I doubt very much Williams tested him out of the goodness of their hearts - though if any team would, they would.





Swervin_Mervin

4,445 posts

238 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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Bear in mind as well that Rosberg is now on his management team, specifically with a view to getting him back in F1 as I understand it. And who has a close relationship with WiIliams...

cuprabob

14,579 posts

214 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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StevieBee said:
Well, you've got to hand it to him.
smile

HustleRussell

24,640 posts

160 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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Europa Jon said:
There's been a flurry of media activity regarding Robert Kubica over the last few months. Many have said that his return to Formula 1 is just a dream, but why would Renault and Williams give him a test in a recent car? Surely if they weren't seriously considering him, they wouldn't waste all that time and money on a day's testing. Has anybody got an insight into this beyond mere speculation?
Renault presenting Kubica with an opportunity to test was a gift to an old friend. Kubica wanted to know if he could drive an F1 car and Renault were happy to oblige out of goodwill. Of course with Palmer in the second car they knew they might have a seat to fill, but I don't think Kubica was a shoe-in for it and when it transpired they could get Saintz...

Williams' willingness to test Kubica only really illustrates how limited their options are. Don't get me wrong, Kubica showed great talent in his first career, but...

ukaskew

10,642 posts

221 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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HustleRussell said:
Williams' willingness to test Kubica only really illustrates how limited their options are. Don't get me wrong, Kubica showed great talent in his first career, but...
It would seem Renault (or indeed Kubica) had concerns after the previous Hungary test, so it will be interesting to see what comes of the Williams test there. I’m sure it’s no coincidence that it’s a circuit with a relatively slow hairpin.

Either way it is amusing/concerning given the great F1 merry-go-round that Williams have ended up in a position where a guy still waiting to retire is currently their best option for next year, followed by a guy who only due to luck has raced once in F1 since 2013.

With Button and Rosberg retiring the experienced end of the driver market is very sparse indeed.

KevinCamaroSS

11,623 posts

280 months

Thursday 12th October 2017
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ukaskew said:
It would seem Renault (or indeed Kubica) had concerns after the previous Hungary test, so it will be interesting to see what comes of the Williams test there. I’m sure it’s no coincidence that it’s a circuit with a relatively slow hairpin.

Either way it is amusing/concerning given the great F1 merry-go-round that Williams have ended up in a position where a guy still waiting to retire is currently their best option for next year, followed by a guy who only due to luck has raced once in F1 since 2013.

With Button and Rosberg retiring the experienced end of the driver market is very sparse indeed.
Agree with HR here, also the market is indeed sparse for experienced drivers. This is surely because there is a limited shelf life for an F1 driver, lets say 10 years unless somebody like Max V who started younger. This means new talent has to be nurtured and brought up/in to fill the gaps left as the older drivers retire. Williams are constraining themselves somewhat with their team 'culture' and perceived requirements.

Sa Calobra

37,116 posts

211 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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I think Williams need to stop trotting Kubica out. It's not going to happen and they are getting media attention whoring from this.

Seems off what Williams are doing? Don't they have any options at all or would they prefer another paying driver?

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
I think Williams need to stop trotting Kubica out. It's not going to happen and they are getting media attention whoring from this.

Seems off what Williams are doing? Don't they have any options at all or would they prefer another paying driver?
When you narrow the field to:

>25
Has superlicence
Is not under contract (or has a break clause that will not break teh bank)
Fast, or demonstrably able to step up

Then the list gets quite short.

HustleRussell

24,640 posts

160 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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Hopefully Williams can work around their Martini issue and get Wehrlein in. Ferrari then put Leclerc and Giovanazzi in at Sauber, Massa, Ericsson and Palmer disappear and everybody’s happy.

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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HustleRussell said:
Hopefully Williams can work around their Martini issue and get Wehrlein in. Ferrari then put Leclerc and Giovanazzi in at Sauber, Massa, Ericsson and Palmer disappear and everybody’s happy.
They would need a brand ambassador to fill the gap... maybe Massa?

stemll

4,088 posts

200 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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Vaud said:
HustleRussell said:
Hopefully Williams can work around their Martini issue and get Wehrlein in. Ferrari then put Leclerc and Giovanazzi in at Sauber, Massa, Ericsson and Palmer disappear and everybody’s happy.
They would need a brand ambassador to fill the gap... maybe Massa?
Already have DiResta

RobGT81

5,229 posts

186 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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Vaud said:
When you narrow the field to:

>25
Has superlicence
Is not under contract (or has a break clause that will not break teh bank)
Fast, or demonstrably able to step up

Then the list gets quite short.
It's a short list but there is some very good drivers on it. Hartley getting the Torro Rosso drive would be a great catch for them.

HustleRussell

24,640 posts

160 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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stemll said:
Vaud said:
HustleRussell said:
Hopefully Williams can work around their Martini issue and get Wehrlein in. Ferrari then put Leclerc and Giovanazzi in at Sauber, Massa, Ericsson and Palmer disappear and everybody’s happy.
They would need a brand ambassador to fill the gap... maybe Massa?
Already have DiResta
Listening to Di Resta makes me want to start drinking idea

Sa Calobra

37,116 posts

211 months

Friday 13th October 2017
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Dario Franchitti would make a great brand ambassador.