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entropy said:
There must be some weight to the story otherwise why would Toto come and admit his thoughts on Nico?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/articl...
http://en.f1i.com/news/271068-rosberg-dismisses-wo...
One doesn't really know the context of these types of puff piece. And does it really matter? Psychological games are a big part of F1 and they always have been really.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/articl...
http://en.f1i.com/news/271068-rosberg-dismisses-wo...
rubystone said:
One doesn't really know the context of these types of puff piece. And does it really matter? Psychological games are a big part of F1 and they always have been really.
What would be the point of calling Rosberg vicious? He's nothing to them, at least at the moment, and from what Wolff says it would appear in the future as well. It could be punishment for jumping ship in the way he did, but It's over, why bother?. If it was a revellation that NR bit the heads of little children then I'd see the point, but he's said nothing that we don't all know. I'm surprised at the dig though, not to mention the admission in all but words, that Rosberg cheated at Monaco. I would have thought Wolff would have moved on. Rosberg still indulges in criticisms and digs but that reduces him. He's nothing to do with the team now.
If I was Wolff and wanted to have a go back, I'd just talk about how good Bottas is for the team, build the bloke up and allow others to make the comparison.
Ot is it, perhaps, to negate pressure to take on another German(ish) driver?
It's Hamilton psychological management. Rosberg is gone and Hamilton remains so Toto will clearly side with the current driver. To admit that Hamilton gave at least as good as he got could be construed as a criticism of Hamilton which journos would latch onto and wouldn't be constructive within the team either.
Mercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
Mercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
HustleRussell said:
It's Hamilton psychological management. Rosberg is gone and Hamilton remains so Toto will clearly side with the current driver. To admit that Hamilton gave at least as good as he got could be construed as a criticism of Hamilton which journos would latch onto and wouldn't be constructive within the team either.
Mercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
this, one million per centMercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
deadslow said:
HustleRussell said:
It's Hamilton psychological management. Rosberg is gone and Hamilton remains so Toto will clearly side with the current driver. To admit that Hamilton gave at least as good as he got could be construed as a criticism of Hamilton which journos would latch onto and wouldn't be constructive within the team either.
Mercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
this, one million per centMercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
If toto really wanted to keep his driver focused and have a competitive advantage this year, there would be no point in looking back at past rivalries with Nico and stirring the media into a frenzy again
I didn't see anything too controversial in there? Nico won WDC last year with a monumental effort. He was ruthless and focused and tried to squeeze every advantage he could. Did anyone actually watch the season and not see that? I think you could see the intense pressure he had put himself under, it was one final, massive and completely committed push - do everything necessary to win which included playing in the grey areas (he wasn't the first and wont be the last). Also why I think he retired, that intensity was unsustainable.
Qualifying at Monaco 2014. Well we all have an opinion on what we think happened, and its all well and good Toto making his comments now - maybe an impartial team principle should have acted when it happened (Toto not doing himself any favours there in my eyes). I just think Nico was flirting with the edges of the rules (if being way outside the spirit of them). Its not unusual in professional sport is it, maybe a unique aspect of F1 and motorsport in general is how rarely a foul or penalty is called, its certainly far more prevalent in most other sports.
I didn't particularly enjoy Nico's driving. But, he committed himself 100% to win the WDC last year which I respect.
Qualifying at Monaco 2014. Well we all have an opinion on what we think happened, and its all well and good Toto making his comments now - maybe an impartial team principle should have acted when it happened (Toto not doing himself any favours there in my eyes). I just think Nico was flirting with the edges of the rules (if being way outside the spirit of them). Its not unusual in professional sport is it, maybe a unique aspect of F1 and motorsport in general is how rarely a foul or penalty is called, its certainly far more prevalent in most other sports.
I didn't particularly enjoy Nico's driving. But, he committed himself 100% to win the WDC last year which I respect.
HustleRussell said:
As above, 'ruthless' might've been more fitting. Then what world champion isn't?
This is surely correct. I think Rosberg dedicated himself to better/batter Hamilton in every way possible last year (and Lewis is no shrinking violet) in one last ditch attempt to win the WDC. I am sure he was ruthless.He was possibly fortunate that Lewis became a little distracted at times.
Rosberg won, and knowing that he could never/would never wish to sustain that level of intensity, retired. Fairy nuff.
HustleRussell said:
It's Hamilton psychological management. Rosberg is gone and Hamilton remains so Toto will clearly side with the current driver. To admit that Hamilton gave at least as good as he got could be construed as a criticism of Hamilton which journos would latch onto and wouldn't be constructive within the team either.
Mercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
Rosberg is allowed an opinion and to say what he thinks others might say or said. Mercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
Rosberg did really well. It must have been literally killing him to lift his game above his talent level. As Damon once said he had to squeeze every ounce out when lifting his game.
So I say chapeau to Rosberg. However Lewis is on another level compared to Rosberg. It just comes more natural to him.
On this topic - it's all mind games.
HustleRussell said:
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
Oh come now! Rosberg proved himself manipulative, canny and both able and prepared to twist the words of others and situations when he saw the opportunity to rub the tarnish off his image. Just like every other race driver competing like he did and at the level he did. They'd all lie if they felt the need to, or at least say the absolute minimum so as they could back track later and 'oh this is really what I meant. It was taken out of context'.Rosberg is as capable and willing as the next F1/ ex-F1 driver and has also proved he will play mis-direction and misinterpretation with words.
spunkytherabbit said:
HustleRussell said:
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
Oh come now! Rosberg proved himself manipulative, canny and both able and prepared to twist the words of others and situations when he saw the opportunity to rub the tarnish off his image. Just like every other race driver competing like he did and at the level he did. They'd all lie if they felt the need to, or at least say the absolute minimum so as they could back track later and 'oh this is really what I meant. It was taken out of context'.Rosberg is as capable and willing as the next F1/ ex-F1 driver and has also proved he will play mis-direction and misinterpretation with words.
Rosberg' 2016 victory is pretty inspirational. It proves that if you work really hard, practice like hell, and meet every challenge with the same fervour you would your last, you might just be able to beat somebody who is more talented than you.
HustleRussell said:
Also, while Toto's English is better than most English people's, it is still his second language. 'Vicious' is an interesting choice of word, perhaps he got it a bit wrong. As above, 'ruthless' might've been more fitting. Then what world champion isn't?
Sorry, don't buy that.Toto knew exactly what the words he was using meant.
To be honest though ruthless is what Hamilton is. Vicious is far more in keeping with Rosberg's MO. Remember Hamilton would play his games out in public, Rosberg in private where you can be a lot more Machiavellian and get away with it without it coming to the attention of the wider world. I am sure that there are people on here who know exactly what it was like, i have had many 2nd and third hand reports - some wild, some from people who have no reason to tell me, privately, off the record lies about events that occurred that I would otherwise have had no idea had happened!
One of the things that Toto is keen to do is to make the very most of Hamilton as a driver and as a brand to promote Merc. Hamilton has a bit of a Diva reputation and some feel that he was very unfair towards Rosberg - bits like this in the press do no harm to Merc and make people realise that Nico was not exactly an angle, Monaco, Spa and Spain are just the three clearest examples of how Rosberg is the type that smiles to your face as they slide the knife in between your ribs - Hamilton charges at you like an ancient warrior...
spunkytherabbit said:
Oh come now! Rosberg proved himself manipulative, canny and both able and prepared to twist the words of others and situations when he saw the opportunity to rub the tarnish off his image. Just like every other race driver competing like he did and at the level he did. They'd all lie if they felt the need to, or at least say the absolute minimum so as they could back track later and 'oh this is really what I meant. It was taken out of context'.
Rosberg is as capable and willing as the next F1/ ex-F1 driver and has also proved he will play mis-direction and misinterpretation with words.
Yet for all his intelligence the other drivers used to wind him up/play jokes at his expense!Rosberg is as capable and willing as the next F1/ ex-F1 driver and has also proved he will play mis-direction and misinterpretation with words.
Sa Calobra said:
spunkytherabbit said:
Oh come now! Rosberg proved himself manipulative, canny and both able and prepared to twist the words of others and situations when he saw the opportunity to rub the tarnish off his image. Just like every other race driver competing like he did and at the level he did. They'd all lie if they felt the need to, or at least say the absolute minimum so as they could back track later and 'oh this is really what I meant. It was taken out of context'.
Rosberg is as capable and willing as the next F1/ ex-F1 driver and has also proved he will play mis-direction and misinterpretation with words.
Yet for all his intelligence the other drivers used to wind him up/play jokes at his expense!Rosberg is as capable and willing as the next F1/ ex-F1 driver and has also proved he will play mis-direction and misinterpretation with words.
But like a previous post said, look at what he achieved with hard work, sacrifice and sheer determination. It might be grudging on my behalf, but yes, you have to admire it.
HustleRussell said:
Rosberg' 2016 victory is pretty inspirational. It proves that if you work really hard, practice like hell, and meet every challenge with the same fervour you would your last, you might just be able to beat somebody who is more talented than you.
Don't forget the enormous amount of luck he also needed.HustleRussell said:
Rosberg' 2016 victory is pretty inspirational. It proves that if you work really hard, practice like hell, and meet every challenge with the same fervour you would your last, you might just be able to beat somebody who is more talented than you.
Very well written.It's funny how in most walks of life and work situations we admire those who get to where they are through hard work and determination, yet in sport the naturally talented seem to garner more respect.
Of course some combine both (Ronaldo in football comes to mind, perhaps Schumy in F1).
deadslow said:
HustleRussell said:
It's Hamilton psychological management. Rosberg is gone and Hamilton remains so Toto will clearly side with the current driver. To admit that Hamilton gave at least as good as he got could be construed as a criticism of Hamilton which journos would latch onto and wouldn't be constructive within the team either.
Mercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
this, one million per centMercedes are playing happy families at the moment with Hamilton and Bottas so publically the management are contrasting that positivity against the Hamilton Rosberg rivalry which has filled so many column inches over the past few years.
Rosberg has already come out and said that he doesn't believe that those are Toto's true feelings and I can't imagine he'd be motivated to lie about that.
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