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I'm fairly sure C4 (online forum show) showed footage of them fitting the headrest when Lewis got in at the end of the red flag period. Seemed to be fastened at the front correctly, I think it just has tabs to locate the rear first?
Edit - sorry if already posted. Mechanic collision that was spoken about in this thread
https://streamable.com/33n6i
Edit - sorry if already posted. Mechanic collision that was spoken about in this thread
https://streamable.com/33n6i
Edited by Blayney on Monday 26th June 23:49
Doink said:
I think we've got a bit muddled up here......
As it stood Lewis was leading the race, vettel in second, Lewis was comfortable leading and was pulling away, the race was his, he'd of won. What happened after that is different, you said 'I think there's little doubt that Vettel would have won the race had he not been so stupid', stupid in what way..........do you mean running into Lewis? Had that not happened Lewis then there could potentially been no red flag, meaning no pit stop, Lewis wouldn't of got out the car and his headrest would of been left alone so the race would of played out and he'd of won so in some respects it was vettel who stopped Lewis winning
You can't blame mercs failure to send the car out in a worthy condition on anyone except merc.As it stood Lewis was leading the race, vettel in second, Lewis was comfortable leading and was pulling away, the race was his, he'd of won. What happened after that is different, you said 'I think there's little doubt that Vettel would have won the race had he not been so stupid', stupid in what way..........do you mean running into Lewis? Had that not happened Lewis then there could potentially been no red flag, meaning no pit stop, Lewis wouldn't of got out the car and his headrest would of been left alone so the race would of played out and he'd of won so in some respects it was vettel who stopped Lewis winning
It's like when massa drove off with the fuel rig attached in singapore and blamed piquet jnr/alonso for having caused the safety car that precipitated the pit stop, it's an alluring but deeply flawed line of thought, and logically if the team are doing something wrong it will catch them out sooner or later regardless.
Doink said:
Had Lewis' headrest not come loose it would have been interesting to see what punishment the stewards would of come back with seeing as the 10 sec stop go was only announced AFTER Lewis made his enforced stop which as it happened took 9.5 sec, the cynic in me says had Lewis not had the problem then no penalty would of been applied to vettel
I had recorded the race and was trying to watch before bed so I was jumping forward in 3-mins steps, so did not have a clear understanding of the red flag period. But it seemed long. So when the race restarted, I assumed the Stewards had already given their deliberation. It seemed totally daft that the timing of Vettel's penalty was only announced after Lewis had to come in for headrest. It almost seems like he would have got away with no penalty, without Lewis's problem.
Does anyone know how long the red flag lasted? Did anyone comment at the time about the delay in the Steward's decision?
rdjohn said:
Doink said:
Had Lewis' headrest not come loose it would have been interesting to see what punishment the stewards would of come back with seeing as the 10 sec stop go was only announced AFTER Lewis made his enforced stop which as it happened took 9.5 sec, the cynic in me says had Lewis not had the problem then no penalty would of been applied to vettel
I had recorded the race and was trying to watch before bed so I was jumping forward in 3-mins steps, so did not have a clear understanding of the red flag period. But it seemed long. So when the race restarted, I assumed the Stewards had already given their deliberation. It seemed totally daft that the timing of Vettel's penalty was only announced after Lewis had to come in for headrest. It almost seems like he would have got away with no penalty, without Lewis's problem.
Does anyone know how long the red flag lasted? Did anyone comment at the time about the delay in the Steward's decision?
Syndrome280 said:
RB Will said:
Doink said:
Does anyone else see the irony in this and a pattern emerging........
Sebastian Vettel
British GP 10-Jul-17 Forcing driver off track 2 points
Malaysian GP 02-Oct-17 Collision 2 points
Mexican GP 30-Oct-17 Driving dangerously 2 points
Azerbaijan GP 25-Jun-18 Collision 3 points
Lewis Hamilton
Bahrain GP 16-Apr-18 Too slow in pit lane 2 points
You could speak to a Mr N. Rosberg for his thoughts on Hamilton purposefully bumping people off the track Sebastian Vettel
British GP 10-Jul-17 Forcing driver off track 2 points
Malaysian GP 02-Oct-17 Collision 2 points
Mexican GP 30-Oct-17 Driving dangerously 2 points
Azerbaijan GP 25-Jun-18 Collision 3 points
Lewis Hamilton
Bahrain GP 16-Apr-18 Too slow in pit lane 2 points
Think it worked out that last year alone Rosberg lost about 50 points from Hamilton putting him off the track in various ways
motco said:
rdjohn said:
Doink said:
Had Lewis' headrest not come loose it would have been interesting to see what punishment the stewards would of come back with seeing as the 10 sec stop go was only announced AFTER Lewis made his enforced stop which as it happened took 9.5 sec, the cynic in me says had Lewis not had the problem then no penalty would of been applied to vettel
I had recorded the race and was trying to watch before bed so I was jumping forward in 3-mins steps, so did not have a clear understanding of the red flag period. But it seemed long. So when the race restarted, I assumed the Stewards had already given their deliberation. It seemed totally daft that the timing of Vettel's penalty was only announced after Lewis had to come in for headrest. It almost seems like he would have got away with no penalty, without Lewis's problem.
Does anyone know how long the red flag lasted? Did anyone comment at the time about the delay in the Steward's decision?
http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwxsaRozU?oc=wa
so according to that, its settled. The FIA have had a look at the telemetry and concluded Hamilton did nothing wrong.
Sebastian was just being an arse. End of.
Great race though. Bottas got lucky with all the stoppages, but them's the breaks and he made the most of the opportunity. Stroll impressed. I guess that car was pretty good in a straight line and he wouldn't have on the podium had it not been for all the shenanigans, but he kept his head down, avoided all the nonsense and made no mistakes...He'd been quick all weekend as well, from practice to qualifying a genuine 8th... so no one can really say he didn't deserve the result.
I hope he continues. Seems like a switch has been flicked once he got to Canada and he's realised he can do it and is building confidence in the car.
FI are in danger of boiling over I think. They've got a good car and two evenly matched, fast drivers. If they don't get a handle on managing them they're going to be tripping over each other in more races. Their stock is high right now. If I was going to buy an F1 team, it'd be FI.
so according to that, its settled. The FIA have had a look at the telemetry and concluded Hamilton did nothing wrong.
Sebastian was just being an arse. End of.
Great race though. Bottas got lucky with all the stoppages, but them's the breaks and he made the most of the opportunity. Stroll impressed. I guess that car was pretty good in a straight line and he wouldn't have on the podium had it not been for all the shenanigans, but he kept his head down, avoided all the nonsense and made no mistakes...He'd been quick all weekend as well, from practice to qualifying a genuine 8th... so no one can really say he didn't deserve the result.
I hope he continues. Seems like a switch has been flicked once he got to Canada and he's realised he can do it and is building confidence in the car.
FI are in danger of boiling over I think. They've got a good car and two evenly matched, fast drivers. If they don't get a handle on managing them they're going to be tripping over each other in more races. Their stock is high right now. If I was going to buy an F1 team, it'd be FI.
Otispunkmeyer said:
FI are in danger of boiling over I think. They've got a good car and two evenly matched, fast drivers. If they don't get a handle on managing them they're going to be tripping over each other in more races. Their stock is high right now. If I was going to buy an F1 team, it'd be FI.
They certainly get the most from a (relatively) small budget. FI and Sauber are both apparently for sale if you have the funds... 
motco said:
My recall is that the penalty was served (if not taken yet perhaps) before the headrest incident. I may be wrong, I admit, and I've deleted the recording now.
The penalty for Vettel was announced on screen just as Hamilton entered the pits to secure his headrest.I'm not aware of what delay there is between the stewards announcements and then appearing on screen.
Ructions said:
I agree. Rent a gob has it right for once.Ructions said:
Except Hamilton didn't brake test him....so Jaques should get his story straight first. Seeing fiery characters and some emotion is a good thing but vettels actions and then reluctance to accept he did anything wrong just makes him look like a berkRuctions said:
Except the premise of his, and Vettel's argument is false (my bolding):"Villeneuve, who 20 years ago was involved in a notorious collision with Michael Schumacher in the 1997 title finale at Jerez, said that incident - which led to Schumacher being excluded from the championship standings - was not similar to the Baku flare-up.
“It was very different,” he told Motorsport.com. “They’re going 10mph, who cares?
"Of course it was ugly, but ultimately Lewis brake-tested him. I’m a driver, I’ve been there.
"Whenever a driver did that to me, then I would do whatever Seb did. He got a penalty, the biggest he could get, I guess, according to the new rules."
Vaud said:
Ructions said:
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