The Official 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[Vaud]

HustleRussell said:

ash73 said:

Apparently this is what the FIA means by "not lifting off entirely", the HUD shows zero throttle and brakes applied after the apex:

https://streamable.com/phz5p

ash73 said:

1g

And at that speed (30mph) the aero would have no effect, so the deceleration would (effectively be) just from the powertrain friction.

[paulwirral]

Am I the only one hoping for more of the same in all the remaining races ? It's the first time in a long time I've actually watched the whole race instead of falling asleep or giving up and doing a few jobs or cleaning up the house .

[InductionRoar]

paulwirral said:

Am I the only one hoping for more of the same in all the remaining races ? It's the first time in a long time I've actually watched the whole race instead of falling asleep or giving up and doing a few jobs or cleaning up the house .

It won't though. We saw how quick Mercedes were on the last lap when they turned the wick up. There is no way Ferrari can compete with that pace. PH will then sleep happy in their beds because Lewis can once again prove he is the best driver ever by leading from the front in the fastest car with a clear number two driver.

[Vaud]

InductionRoar said:

It won't though. We saw how quick Mercedes were on the last lap when they turned the wick up.

So why didn't Lewis catch and pass Vettel?

[Hungrymc]

HustleRussell said:

ash73 said:

Apparently this is what the FIA means by "not lifting off entirely", the HUD shows zero throttle and brakes applied after the apex:

https://streamable.com/phz5p

ash73 said:

1g

Honestly, you couldn't make it up could you.

This thread never disappoints.

[Hungrymc]

HustleRussell said:

ash73 said:

Apparently this is what the FIA means by "not lifting off entirely", the HUD shows zero throttle and brakes applied after the apex:

https://streamable.com/phz5p

Apex speed 60kph, speed at collision 53kph. OMG Hamilton and his crazy emergency stop.

Other observations .....

I think Seb ttting him up the back took him from 51 to 53.

As everyone had said, he was slowing through the corner - some think he's obligated to floor it at the apex (Yep, even under SC - what can you say) and they also thought he accelerated out of the corner and then stamped on the brakes (they hadn't even watched it - were just spouting crap)

Finally, He back up to about 57 when Seb pulls along side and just drives into him.

And yet some think this all shows Seb in a better light ???? They have to be on a wind up.

[InductionRoar]

Vaud said:

InductionRoar said:

It won't though. We saw how quick Mercedes were on the last lap when they turned the wick up.

So why didn't Lewis catch and pass Vettel?

That's a good point. I can only assume it is because he wasn't fast enough. Pass the tin foil hat somebody.

[VladD]

ash73 said:

Vaud said:

the deceleration would (effectively be) just from the powertrain friction.

So his brakes weren't working then?

The problem with the brake indicator, I think, is that it goes fully red if the driver touches the pedal. It isn't graduated like the throttle indicator, so you can't tell how hard the driver is braking. Given the observed deceleration, Lewis obviously didn't jump on it like Seb is claiming.

Also, if you look at the clip above, Seb hits Lewis after Lewis has come off the brakes again. Why would Lewis come off the brakes if he was brake testing Seb?

Edited by VladD on Wednesday 28th June 13:48

[Hungrymc]

InductionRoar said:

Vaud said:

InductionRoar said:

It won't though. We saw how quick Mercedes were on the last lap when they turned the wick up.

So why didn't Lewis catch and pass Vettel?

That's a good point. I can only assume it is because he wasn't fast enough. Pass the tin foil hat somebody.

He did such a bad job - that despite turning the wick up and being in a car so clearly much faster than Seb's .... Seb actually had the fastest lap of the race (only marginally faster than Lewis)

But to be fair, I suspect Lewis might have been a bit quicker had he not damaged his diffuser and floor by reversing at speed into Seb.

[VladD]

ash73 said:

I know Lewis fans are a bit thick so I'll try to explain this simply. Everyone agrees Seb's retaliation was idiotic and deserves punishment, and his lack of contrition was embarrassing, but the separate issue of safe restarts is quite interesting. You do understand that two separate points can be discussed concurrently (that is, at the same time)?

Here's Sainz's input:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sainz-calls-for...

Indeed, safety car restart are always precarious, as are initial race starts, which is why I guess some series use rolling starts. Bunching the cars up is always going to introduce risk. Seb accelerating was a cock up but, given the minimal impact, is just a racing incident, especially this season where the stewards are trying not to penalise every incident that they see. I don't think that incident warranted any punishment.

Given that the rules are currently as they are, the incident was 100% Seb's fault though. Lewis has zero responsibility for the incident in this case. He behaved as a lead driver does in those circumstances.

Perhaps as the safety car pulls in the last sector should be run under VSC with a minimum of a second gap between each car. Each car can then floor it as they cross the start finish line. Nobody is too bunched and everyone knows when they can hit the throttle.

Edited by VladD on Wednesday 28th June 14:02

[Daston]

The big question is why didn't everyone end in the back of Seb if Hamilton did brake. They too must have anticipated the lead driver to accelerate out of a corner.

From an insurance blame point of view is it not the following drivers responsibility not not drive into the car in front?

[heebeegeetee]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Vettel and Hamilton on Sunday if their helmets were off.

[andy_s]

ash73 said:

Hungrymc said:

And yet some think this all shows Seb in a better light ???? They have to be on a wind up.

I know Lewis fans are a bit thick so I'll try to explain this simply. Everyone agrees Seb's retaliation was idiotic and deserves punishment, and his lack of contrition was embarrassing, but the separate issue of safe restarts is quite interesting. You do understand that two separate points can be discussed concurrently (that is, at the same time)?

Here's Sainz's input:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sainz-calls-for...

Sainz has a point in that he was at the end of an elastic band; but Vettel wasn't, he was 100% at fault going into the back of Hamilton - he clearly accelerated when Hamilton did not, specifically under safety car conditions - not even racing ones.

[Sylvaforever]

ash73 said:

I know Lewis fans are a bit thick so I'll try to explain this simply. Everyone agrees Seb's retaliation was idiotic and deserves punishment, and his lack of contrition was embarrassing, but the separate issue of safe restarts is quite interesting. You do understand that two separate points can be discussed concurrently (that is, at the same time)?

Here's Sainz's input:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sainz-calls-for...

I know Lewis fans are a bit thick


You're so far up your own jacksie you fail to realise that very point about restarts was first aired over the team radio by LH as he sat in the pit lane under the red flag.

[InductionRoar]

Hungrymc said:

InductionRoar said:

Vaud said:

InductionRoar said:

It won't though. We saw how quick Mercedes were on the last lap when they turned the wick up.

So why didn't Lewis catch and pass Vettel?

That's a good point. I can only assume it is because he wasn't fast enough. Pass the tin foil hat somebody.

He did such a bad job - that despite turning the wick up and being in a car so clearly much faster than Seb's .... Seb actually had the fastest lap of the race (only marginally faster than Lewis)

But to be fair, I suspect Lewis might have been a bit quicker had he not damaged his diffuser and floor by reversing at speed into Seb.

You do realize that there are two Mercedes drivers I assume? Bottas set his fastest lap of the race on the final lap whilst chasing down Stroll and I am guessing that was at least partially due to an engine setting that had not previously been used. Clearly there is a lot more performance potential in the Mercedes power unit that we don't see until it is needed. The only reason Lewis didn't pass Sebastian on the last lap is because he wasn't quick enough. Maybe that was because his diffuser was damaged, maybe not.

People moan when F1 is boring. People moan when F1 is exciting. People like moaning.

[Hungrymc]

ash73 said:

Hungrymc said:

And yet some think this all shows Seb in a better light ???? They have to be on a wind up.

I know Lewis fans are a bit thick so I'll try to explain this simply. Everyone agrees Seb's retaliation was idiotic and deserves punishment, and his lack of contrition was embarrassing, but the separate issue of safe restarts is quite interesting. You do understand that two separate points can be discussed concurrently (that is, at the same time)?

Here's Sainz's input:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sainz-calls-for...

Sorry mate, you're right. I hadn't realised that you were leading a debate on safety car restart regulations and their relative safety as I had read your nonsense posts and had understood that you were criticising Lewis for brake testing Seb. Which obviously didn't actually happen.

So, I'm a bit thick and you're ultra sharp, can we be crystal clear........... We all agree that ......
Lewis drove perfectly within the requirement's and in a consistent way to previous laps under SC and ending SC
Seb tried to anticipate, was probably taking a quick check in his mirror, made a hash of it all and drove into Lewis.
He then pulled alongside and drove into him while gesticulating.
He then spouted a load of nonsense about a brake test that was subsequently proven not to have happened (instead of a simple apology for a rush of blood).
The brightest sparks on the internet such as yourself then supported Sebs view despite apparently not having even seen the incident.
Then you changed tack from "lewis brake tested" Seb to "we need to talk about restart procedure" in a seamless manner as if that is somehow the same thing.

What did I miss?

As for being a Leiws fan, I am, but I've also really, really warmed to Seb and am enjoying the competitiveness at the front of the field. I'm genuinely happy with the prospect of Seb wining the title and as I said above, a ruthless and blinkered belief in yourself is essential to being at the very top of any sport, I suspect this is what prevents Seb form viewing this incident impartially (I'm not sure what stops the internet experts being able to though). He made an error, had a tantrum and has subsequently been daft in his explanation, its not the end of the world and I'm still enjoying him and will enjoy this fight. And you can disagree all you like, but Lewis needs to park his "I want to win it clean". This is a dog fight between different teams, you haven't got the pseudo / semi rivalry that you have with your team mate, he has to take every point in every way he can while walking the tightrope of the edges of the rules that professional sportsmen at the top of their game often have to.

[Vaud]

InductionRoar said:

People moan when F1 is boring. People moan when F1 is exciting. People like moaning.

I loved the race. I think the Seb thing is a storm in a tea cup but if gives people something to moan about.

I'm loving F1 and excited for the future of it.

Oh, and I'm off to Baku next year.

April. Slim chance of a wet race as well...

[Derek Smith]

ash73 said:

I know Lewis fans are a bit thick so I'll try to explain this simply.

When I read that I thought of:

[NM62]

ash73 said:

Hungrymc said:

And yet some think this all shows Seb in a better light ???? They have to be on a wind up.

I know Lewis fans are a bit thick so I'll try to explain this simply. Everyone agrees Seb's retaliation was idiotic and deserves punishment, and his lack of contrition was embarrassing, but the separate issue of safe restarts is quite interesting. You do understand that two separate points can be discussed concurrently (that is, at the same time)?

Here's Sainz's input:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sainz-calls-for...

Did you read what Sainz said in the article?

"“If I were the leader, I probably would've done the same,” he said. “It's not the leader's fault at all. I think we would all have done the same to avoid the maximum possible slipstream."

I know,being a Lewis fan I'm a bit thick, does he hold Lewis to blame?

[Tyre Tread]

ash73 said:

Hungrymc said:

And yet some think this all shows Seb in a better light ???? They have to be on a wind up.

I know Lewis fans are a bit thick so I'll try to explain this simply. Everyone agrees Seb's retaliation was idiotic and deserves punishment, and his lack of contrition was embarrassing, but the separate issue of safe restarts is quite interesting. You do understand that two separate points can be discussed concurrently (that is, at the same time)?

Here's Sainz's input:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sainz-calls-for...

Carlos Sainz viewpoint article said:

The Spaniard clarified that the issue had not come up in the drivers' briefing despite last year's hectic safety car restarts in GP2 races in Baku, and said he was not blaming the leader for accelerating late.

“If I were the leader, I probably would've done the same,” he said. “It's not the leader's fault at all. I think we would all have done the same to avoid the maximum possible slipstream.

Lewis fans (not that I am particularly one of them] may be "a bit thick" but at least they can read and have some comprehension skills.