The Official 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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Raging Bu11 said:
I'm sorry, but as much as I disagree with Sebs actions on the day. Isn't this sort of what makes it exciting and for the armchair supporter, good that everyone is talking about it. Yet everyone on here seems to want to be so righteous and wants to see him banned. That would kill the casual interest overnight. The best days of F1 always had a talented villain....
The penalty was handed out. If Lewis hadn't have had the issue with his cockpit protection he would have won easily. Seb would have been 5th. At the end of the day Seb got a 10 second stop go penalty. On any other track that would have cost them much more than that.
I agree. We Brits, complain no matter what. The penalty was handed out. If Lewis hadn't have had the issue with his cockpit protection he would have won easily. Seb would have been 5th. At the end of the day Seb got a 10 second stop go penalty. On any other track that would have cost them much more than that.
He's been punished as far as I'm concerned that's the end of it, one action caused a reaction (a full on over reaction) it was dealt with.
Let's get on with the rest of the championship, my 11 year old laughed at SV saying he's got road rage & now LH will win, so he recognised by losing it SV had lost the battle, which for me was a nice life lesson for him so cheers SV you showed my boy what not to do.
As it was circumstances meant LH ended up behind SV que more frustration & LH cranking up the mental pressure by being populist, anyone on here who hasn't reacted to being mistreated on the road must have the patients of a saint (no I've never collided with anyone) but it just showed he's human.
Questionable moves are part of F1 & all this indignation is a bit over the top Senna etc have all done something but we look past it.
Let's get on with the rest of the championship, my 11 year old laughed at SV saying he's got road rage & now LH will win, so he recognised by losing it SV had lost the battle, which for me was a nice life lesson for him so cheers SV you showed my boy what not to do.
As it was circumstances meant LH ended up behind SV que more frustration & LH cranking up the mental pressure by being populist, anyone on here who hasn't reacted to being mistreated on the road must have the patients of a saint (no I've never collided with anyone) but it just showed he's human.
Questionable moves are part of F1 & all this indignation is a bit over the top Senna etc have all done something but we look past it.
Sorry if it's a repost, but this is a really good video of the incident and aftertalk.
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2017/6/Vettel_vs...
I didn't appreciate the force SV hit LH at. 3 of Vettel's wheels left the ground it was that hard! I thought it was a little love tap.....not so.
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2017/6/Vettel_vs...
I didn't appreciate the force SV hit LH at. 3 of Vettel's wheels left the ground it was that hard! I thought it was a little love tap.....not so.
Edited by audi321 on Friday 30th June 10:05
I think the FIA are in a difficult position now. On the one hand, he's already been warned about his behaviour once and by all accounts told that if he does something similar again he'll have the book thrown at him so letting him off would set a bad precedent; on the other, issuing a penalty "in cold blood" a week after the race will leave neutral fans who just want to see a close title fight annoyed with them for "interfering with the championship". Of course the state of the championship shouldn't have any bearing on it, but in practice it's bound to.
I suspect the FIA are wishing the race stewards had excluded him during the race. I suppose they could give him a big fine for "bringing the sport into disrepute" or something but not actually penalise him from a championship point of view.
I suspect the FIA are wishing the race stewards had excluded him during the race. I suppose they could give him a big fine for "bringing the sport into disrepute" or something but not actually penalise him from a championship point of view.
kambites said:
I think the FIA are in a difficult position now. On the one hand, he's already been warned about his behaviour once and by all accounts told that if he does something similar again he'll have the book thrown at him so letting him off would set a bad precedent; on the other, issuing a penalty "in cold blood" a week after the race will leave neutral fans who just want to see a close title fight annoyed with them for "interfering with the championship". Of course the state of the championship shouldn't have any bearing on it, but in practice it's bound to.
I suspect the FIA are wishing the race stewards had excluded him during the race. I suppose they could give him a big fine for "bringing the sport into disrepute" or something but not actually penalise him from a championship point of view.
Could go for a heavy penalty (e.g. 3 race ban) but suspend it - to send the right message...I suspect the FIA are wishing the race stewards had excluded him during the race. I suppose they could give him a big fine for "bringing the sport into disrepute" or something but not actually penalise him from a championship point of view.
If there is any punishment that "interferes" in the championship then the fault lies with Vettel not the FIA, no one asked him to drive into Hamilton or act in a manner that has seen him get total of 9 points on his licence, he's out of control, telling the race director to f
k off over the radio etc.... you can't act "illegally" and then cry that the punishment interferes with your aims, it's a nonsense.
k off over the radio etc.... you can't act "illegally" and then cry that the punishment interferes with your aims, it's a nonsense. Wills2 said:
If there is any punishment that "interferes" in the championship then the fault lies with Vettel not the FIA,
Agreed, but ultimately F1 is a business first and a sport second and the FIA aren't going to do anything to annoy casual, driver-neutral fans. I'm not saying they should not penalise him in such a way as to effect the championship; I'm saying they (probably) will not.
oyster said:
I can't help thinking there'd be a whole lot less clamour for further punishment if Hamilton hadn't had the headrest issue and cruised to the win.
You may be right, but I certainly don't think it would have changed my opinion of the situation. Long before Hamilton's head-rest problem I was thinking "surely they have to black-flag him for that". kambites said:
Wills2 said:
If there is any punishment that "interferes" in the championship then the fault lies with Vettel not the FIA,
Agreed, but ultimately F1 is a business first and a sport second and the FIA aren't going to do anything to annoy casual, driver-neutral fans. I'm not saying they should not penalise him in such a way as to effect the championship; I'm saying they (probably) will not.
Vettel's fans might not like it though.
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It may have been the C4 coverage but am I right in saying that Lewis only moaned about Sebastian's (lack of) penalty after he had to pit for the loose headrest?
He certainly didn't sound too fussed at the time (he spoke very calmly and matter of fact immediately following the incident). It was when he realized that he had lost out even more in the championship battle that he started moaning and saying he ought to be bummed by Jean Todt.
Jensen and Fernando have both said it was wrong (I don't think that point is up for discussion) but basically let sleeping dogs lie. I wonder if the fact they both team-mated Lewis has any bearing on their live and let live mentality?
There are a lot of angry posters here. I can only assume they are hoping that the public outrage will somehow affect the FIA's decision. Strange that racing fans want to see a championship potentially decided off-track. Sad really.
He certainly didn't sound too fussed at the time (he spoke very calmly and matter of fact immediately following the incident). It was when he realized that he had lost out even more in the championship battle that he started moaning and saying he ought to be bummed by Jean Todt.
Jensen and Fernando have both said it was wrong (I don't think that point is up for discussion) but basically let sleeping dogs lie. I wonder if the fact they both team-mated Lewis has any bearing on their live and let live mentality?
There are a lot of angry posters here. I can only assume they are hoping that the public outrage will somehow affect the FIA's decision. Strange that racing fans want to see a championship potentially decided off-track. Sad really.
Leroy902 said:
I agree. We Brits, complain no matter what.
Have a look at some 'foreign' F1 forums. The PH thread is almost laid back in comparison to many. I used to follow a couple of them but their attitude and responses made them hard work. If you mean PH then 'We Brits' are rather less judgemental and certainly there are fewer and less sustained personal attacks.
Mind you, if anything involves Hamilton then the knives are out on here but it is Armageddon on some forums.
I get the impression the FIA might be focussing on Seb's conduct after the race (i.e. denying all wrong-doing/not acknowledging what he did) and whether that brings him/the sport into disrepute, rather than tacking on any more penalties to the actual incident. I don't anything will come of it apart from maybe a fine (like they did with Max) and a demand for a formal apology. Either that or a final warning for conduct.
I don't condone what he did, but I agree with JB etc that what is done is done and everyone needs to move on; so no further action at all would be fine with me.
I don't condone what he did, but I agree with JB etc that what is done is done and everyone needs to move on; so no further action at all would be fine with me.
InductionRoar said:
There are a lot of angry posters here. I can only assume they are hoping that the public outrage will somehow affect the FIA's decision. Strange that racing fans want to see a championship potentially decided off-track. Sad really.
It's not that for me, I want to see decent racing, I don't want to see grown men acting like children. I also want to see consistency in the way the sport is policed and bad behaviour punished. Seb needs to learn that he's not the centre of it all. I don't want the championship interfered with, but I think it has to be stop this happening again.Wills2 said:
I think most neutral fans wouldn't be bothered, we're only 8 races in to a 20 race championship and docking Vettel the points makes the drivers championship closer. (not that it should concern the FIA in terms of action taken) just addressing your point around neutral fans.
Vettel's fans might not like it though.
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Vettel's fans might not like it though.
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I want to see Ricciardo take points from both of them.
ZX10R NIN said:
...anyone on here who hasn't reacted to being mistreated on the road must have the patients of a saint (no I've never collided with anyone) but it just showed he's human.
Questionable moves are part of F1 & all this indignation is a bit over the top Senna etc have all done something but we look past it.
Given that it was Vettel's fault for the first crash and the angry side swipe then your comment about reacting when they have "been mistreated" is invalid. If someone drove into the back of you on the road then side swiped you because "it was your fault" would you say no problem?Questionable moves are part of F1 & all this indignation is a bit over the top Senna etc have all done something but we look past it.
That's the point really. If Hamilton had really done anything wrong, Vettel's actions would still have been wrong but would have been more understandable. If Vettel genuinely believed at the time that Hamilton had done something wrong and had he come out afterwards as thoroughly apologetic and taken full responsibility for both collisions, I don't think anyone would be calling for further disciplinary actions...
but the fact is that he caused not one but two collisions, one of them clearly intentionally, and by all accounts he continues to blame one of them on an innocent party and refuse to accept responsibility for either. I'm not sure which would be worse, that he genuinely believes he did nothing wrong or that he knows he screwed up but is lying in the face of overwhelming evidence.
but the fact is that he caused not one but two collisions, one of them clearly intentionally, and by all accounts he continues to blame one of them on an innocent party and refuse to accept responsibility for either. I'm not sure which would be worse, that he genuinely believes he did nothing wrong or that he knows he screwed up but is lying in the face of overwhelming evidence.
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