Sebastian Vettel
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Muzzer79 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
If the car is capable of being 4th, they should get Hulk in for the last few races - he's eager to go, needs to impress as he doesn't have a drive next season, and is almost certain to add a hatful of points to the team's total in what's been an abysmal year for the Scuderia.
That’s an interesting way to piss about $10m up the wall?Highly unlikely to happen and if it did, they would put Giovinazzi in.
Unless there's some silly contract clause that says they have to pay Seb double if they drop him, they'll be better off getting Hulk in and scoring points until the end of the season. NH won't be expensive, a gamble well worth taking.
AJB88 said:
just given up hasn't he
...or could it be the car?MAYBE Ferrari have given up on this season and just keeping Charles Leclerc happy with his car?
Just upgrading ONE car, means that more resources can be used in development for the following season.
The 'internal politics' at Ferrari are legendary, so it COULD be possible...
This following article suggests that Sebastian Vettel is STILL giving it his best...
Candid Vettel admits Leclerc is 'in a different class'
Sebastian Vettel gave an honest account of his performance in qualifying in Portugal relative to Charles Leclerc, admitting his Ferrari teammate is simply in "a different class".
Leclerc will line up fourth on Sunday's grid at Portimao while Vettel will start his race from a lowly 15th, the German driver failing to make the Q3 cut for the seventh consecutive race!
And yet the four-time world champion insists he's giving it his all.
"It’s not just beating, it's like a different class," Vettel told Sky Germany, alluding to Leclerc's superiority.
"I try everything I can. I think the laps I hit, and I'm satisfied with them, are still too slow. At the moment there is nothing more I can do than to get what I have inside me."
https://f1i.com/news/387956-candid-vettel-admits-l...
Sandpit Steve said:
Muzzer79 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
If the car is capable of being 4th, they should get Hulk in for the last few races - he's eager to go, needs to impress as he doesn't have a drive next season, and is almost certain to add a hatful of points to the team's total in what's been an abysmal year for the Scuderia.
That’s an interesting way to piss about $10m up the wall?Highly unlikely to happen and if it did, they would put Giovinazzi in.
Unless there's some silly contract clause that says they have to pay Seb double if they drop him, they'll be better off getting Hulk in and scoring points until the end of the season. NH won't be expensive, a gamble well worth taking.
The Racing Point is clearly competitive. The Ferrari appears to very much be less so.
Practically, it’s a massive move and unlikely.
Fortitude said:
AJB88 said:
just given up hasn't he
...or could it be the car?MAYBE Ferrari have given up on this season and just keeping Charles Leclerc happy with his car?
Just upgrading ONE car, means that more resources can be used in development for the following season.
The 'internal politics' at Ferrari are legendary, so it COULD be possible...
This following article suggests that Sebastian Vettel is STILL giving it his best...
Candid Vettel admits Leclerc is 'in a different class'
Sebastian Vettel gave an honest account of his performance in qualifying in Portugal relative to Charles Leclerc, admitting his Ferrari teammate is simply in "a different class".
Leclerc will line up fourth on Sunday's grid at Portimao while Vettel will start his race from a lowly 15th, the German driver failing to make the Q3 cut for the seventh consecutive race!
And yet the four-time world champion insists he's giving it his all.
"It’s not just beating, it's like a different class," Vettel told Sky Germany, alluding to Leclerc's superiority.
"I try everything I can. I think the laps I hit, and I'm satisfied with them, are still too slow. At the moment there is nothing more I can do than to get what I have inside me."
https://f1i.com/news/387956-candid-vettel-admits-l...
I read these comments as utterly defeatist. Good luck in astroll Martin - I think vettel would have his work cut out beating stroll on equal terms but it's looking increasingly to me like he's there to make stroll look good.
Teddy Lop said:
Fortitude said:
AJB88 said:
just given up hasn't he
...or could it be the car?MAYBE Ferrari have given up on this season and just keeping Charles Leclerc happy with his car?
Just upgrading ONE car, means that more resources can be used in development for the following season.
The 'internal politics' at Ferrari are legendary, so it COULD be possible...
This following article suggests that Sebastian Vettel is STILL giving it his best...
Candid Vettel admits Leclerc is 'in a different class'
Sebastian Vettel gave an honest account of his performance in qualifying in Portugal relative to Charles Leclerc, admitting his Ferrari teammate is simply in "a different class".
Leclerc will line up fourth on Sunday's grid at Portimao while Vettel will start his race from a lowly 15th, the German driver failing to make the Q3 cut for the seventh consecutive race!
And yet the four-time world champion insists he's giving it his all.
"It’s not just beating, it's like a different class," Vettel told Sky Germany, alluding to Leclerc's superiority.
"I try everything I can. I think the laps I hit, and I'm satisfied with them, are still too slow. At the moment there is nothing more I can do than to get what I have inside me."
https://f1i.com/news/387956-candid-vettel-admits-l...
I read these comments as utterly defeatist. Good luck in astroll Martin - I think vettel would have his work cut out beating stroll on equal terms but it's looking increasingly to me like he's there to make stroll look good.
Tracing Point have also spent around $40,000,000 doing the Vettel deal - getting rid of Perez, losing Cartel Slim's money and paying Vettel's salary.
It would just be cheaper to make Lance look good by handicapping Perez or Hulkenberg by giving them "positive" Corona virus tests every other race so Lance can make up the deficit and come out the winner.
I think Vettel is there to raise the profile of the team, help the Aston brand sell more cars and internally he'll be free of the politics that have mentally crushed him at Ferrari.
Edited by Schermerhorn on Wednesday 28th October 12:15
anonymous said:
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Schumacher was forced to retire. His contract was legendary - $50m annual salary and he could use the Ferrari logo selling personal merchandise without paying Ferrari any royalties. Willi Weber was a genius. He then had all his own personal sponsors too. Rumour had it that he was on some $85m per season.He was still an elite athlete in 2006 and an apex predator.
Schermerhorn said:
Schumacher was forced to retire. His contract was legendary - $50m annual salary and he could use the Ferrari logo selling personal merchandise without paying Ferrari any royalties. Willi Weber was a genius. He then had all his own personal sponsors too. Rumour had it that he was on some $85m per season.
He was still an elite athlete in 2006 and an apex predator.
Terrible at parking though.He was still an elite athlete in 2006 and an apex predator.
Schermerhorn said:
Schumacher was forced to retire. His contract was legendary - $50m annual salary and he could use the Ferrari logo selling personal merchandise without paying Ferrari any royalties. Willi Weber was a genius. He then had all his own personal sponsors too. Rumour had it that he was on some $85m per season.
He was still an elite athlete in 2006 and an apex predator.
It’s widely known that Schumacher was getting weary in 2006. He has said so, as has other members of the team.He was still an elite athlete in 2006 and an apex predator.
He was flip-flopping about how long to re-sign for or whether to retire.
Ferrari knew Raikkonen was their man for the future and he was available in a small window, so they took the longevity decision.
Muzzer79 said:
Schermerhorn said:
Schumacher was forced to retire. His contract was legendary - $50m annual salary and he could use the Ferrari logo selling personal merchandise without paying Ferrari any royalties. Willi Weber was a genius. He then had all his own personal sponsors too. Rumour had it that he was on some $85m per season.
He was still an elite athlete in 2006 and an apex predator.
It’s widely known that Schumacher was getting weary in 2006. He has said so, as has other members of the team.He was still an elite athlete in 2006 and an apex predator.
He was flip-flopping about how long to re-sign for or whether to retire.
Ferrari knew Raikkonen was their man for the future and he was available in a small window, so they took the longevity decision.
Interesting for Sebastian to reveal his opinion...
Michael Schumacher is BETTER than Lewis Hamilton, insists F1 rival Sebastian Vettel... despite British star equalling Ferrari legend's record total of 91 Grand Prix wins
•Sebastian Vettel believes Michael Schumacher is 'better than anyone I've seen'
•He praised Lewis Hamilton after matching the Ferrari legend's race wins in F1
•The German star said he 'hasn't seen a match' for Schumacher in the sport
•Last week Sir Jackie Stewart said Hamilton wasn't in his list of top three drivers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
I hadn't realised that Sir Jackie Stewart had made his opinion known as well...
Sir Jackie Stewart says it is 'hard to justify' calling Lewis Hamilton the greatest F1 driver of all time and doesn't even pick him in his top three because his Mercedes car is so superior it's 'almost unfair on the rest of the field'
• Sir Jackie Stewart says Lewis Hamilton isn't the greatest F1 driver of all time
•That's despite Briton being poised to equal Michael Schumacher's records
•Stewart doesn't even pick Hamilton in his top three best Formula One drivers
•81-year-old says it's difficult to compare eras because of several factors
•The pair disagreed over the issue of diversity within F1 earlier this year
By Adam Shergold for MailOnline
Published: 12:40, 7 October 2020 | Updated: 15:08, 7 October 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
Michael Schumacher is BETTER than Lewis Hamilton, insists F1 rival Sebastian Vettel... despite British star equalling Ferrari legend's record total of 91 Grand Prix wins
•Sebastian Vettel believes Michael Schumacher is 'better than anyone I've seen'
•He praised Lewis Hamilton after matching the Ferrari legend's race wins in F1
•The German star said he 'hasn't seen a match' for Schumacher in the sport
•Last week Sir Jackie Stewart said Hamilton wasn't in his list of top three drivers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
I hadn't realised that Sir Jackie Stewart had made his opinion known as well...
Sir Jackie Stewart says it is 'hard to justify' calling Lewis Hamilton the greatest F1 driver of all time and doesn't even pick him in his top three because his Mercedes car is so superior it's 'almost unfair on the rest of the field'
• Sir Jackie Stewart says Lewis Hamilton isn't the greatest F1 driver of all time
•That's despite Briton being poised to equal Michael Schumacher's records
•Stewart doesn't even pick Hamilton in his top three best Formula One drivers
•81-year-old says it's difficult to compare eras because of several factors
•The pair disagreed over the issue of diversity within F1 earlier this year
By Adam Shergold for MailOnline
Published: 12:40, 7 October 2020 | Updated: 15:08, 7 October 2020
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/artic...
I’d imagine, especially for Germans, the eclipsing of Schumacher’s records are emotional. And some of the reactions are tinged with loyalty to the man.
As for Stewart, well he’s from a different era. He weighed up his chances of death or serious injury and didn’t fancy staying in the sport. And may well rate the men who faced the dangers of his time more highly.
I don’t have a problem with either of their reactions (assuming they have been reported accurately, which is always a problem).
I doubt Hamilton will either. His records are there for all time and speak for themselves.
As for Stewart, well he’s from a different era. He weighed up his chances of death or serious injury and didn’t fancy staying in the sport. And may well rate the men who faced the dangers of his time more highly.
I don’t have a problem with either of their reactions (assuming they have been reported accurately, which is always a problem).
I doubt Hamilton will either. His records are there for all time and speak for themselves.
Landcrab_Six said:
Muzzer79 said:
Who’s to say that Hulkenburg would score points in an unfamiliar car with only 2 races this season?
Is the Hulk really that good? Hardly any team principals in F1 seem to hold him in high enough regard to actually want to employ him!Seems that Vettel is now implying that he is not getting equal equipment with LeClerc.
Interesting.....
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Vettel said:
"On the one hand, I'm satisfied because I had the feeling that I drove a good race," he said. "I had a hard time at the beginning, lost places, and almost lost the car two or three times. After that I actually drove a good race.
"But, on the other hand, it is obvious that the other car is much faster. Where I lose time? I have been biting my tongue all year long. Some idiot might never figure it out, but am I a complete idiot? I doubt it.
"At some point you should be lucky and hit the limit. I never hit it and if I do, then only with a lot of difficulty. On the other side (of the garage) it looks much easier.
"But, on the other hand, it is obvious that the other car is much faster. Where I lose time? I have been biting my tongue all year long. Some idiot might never figure it out, but am I a complete idiot? I doubt it.
"At some point you should be lucky and hit the limit. I never hit it and if I do, then only with a lot of difficulty. On the other side (of the garage) it looks much easier.
He must be embarrassed by his performance and the excuses are coming out ?
Ferrari are desperate for constructors points to get above the midfield runners so it’s pretty inconceivable to think they would hobble Vettel’s car.
Why would they do it ?
I think Vettel has since said “he trusts Ferrari to give both drivers equal machinery”.
Ferrari are desperate for constructors points to get above the midfield runners so it’s pretty inconceivable to think they would hobble Vettel’s car.
Why would they do it ?
I think Vettel has since said “he trusts Ferrari to give both drivers equal machinery”.
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