Sebastian Vettel

Sebastian Vettel

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LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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He’s right though.

What do you think jenson button brings williams apart from the chance to charge sponsors more to shake a WDC’s hand in the pits before a session?

Oilchange

8,421 posts

259 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Don’t like the bloke but I don’t think he’s finished. Apparently he brings a lot of sponsorship which is key. With his experience in F1 its no surprise he can pull a few successes out of the bag.
I do wonder if he has the emotional intelligence to see that he isn’t fooling anyone except himself when he blames his silly mistakes on others. Must have a thick skin.

TheDeuce

21,272 posts

65 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Oilchange said:
Don’t like the bloke but I don’t think he’s finished. Apparently he brings a lot of sponsorship which is key. With his experience in F1 its no surprise he can pull a few successes out of the bag.
I do wonder if he has the emotional intelligence to see that he isn’t fooling anyone except himself when he blames his silly mistakes on others. Must have a thick skin.
He strikes me as very intelligent and thoughtful, generous in fact... Sadly all of those qualities evaporate when he makes a tit of himself on track rofl

He absolutely knows how childish he can be - he's joked about that aspect of himself a few times. I guess he feels everyone else has got used to and accepted that aspect of him too.

He's certainly a lot more popular as a driver since he stopped winning.

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

66 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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TheDeuce said:
He strikes me as very intelligent and thoughtful, generous in fact... Sadly all of those qualities evaporate when he makes a tit of himself on track rofl

He absolutely knows how childish he can be - he's joked about that aspect of himself a few times. I guess he feels everyone else has got used to and accepted that aspect of him too.

He's certainly a lot more popular as a driver since he stopped winning.
his "full yobbo" act even when he'd been gifted a win through others misfortune, y'know one anyone would take but most would have the good grace to look a little embarassed at, was peak cringe.

I've been saying he was past it since 2014, ever since he lost being in a perfect car with a journeyman alongside, now even a journeyman grade driver can show him up.

anonymous-user

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53 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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I can’t believe anyone can still make excuses for him. Taking his past year performance into account he wouldn’t even be in a mid field team were it not for his 2010-2013 success.

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

82 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Having warmed to the new seb and his good humour I made a mistake of watching a review of the 2013 season. What an unpleasant person that was lol.
He seemed to have distilled all shumis worst qualities.
Shumacher became the nicest person ever after F1. Vettel seems ahead of schedule so I guess it must be to do with all the losing.

Leithen

10,800 posts

266 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Teddy Lop said:
I've been saying he was past it since 2014, ever since he lost being in a perfect car with a journeyman alongside, now even a journeyman grade driver can show him up.
2015-2019

14 wins, 12 Poles, 54 Podiums.

PH never fails to entertain. hehe

vulture1

12,127 posts

178 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Leithen said:
Teddy Lop said:
I've been saying he was past it since 2014, ever since he lost being in a perfect car with a journeyman alongside, now even a journeyman grade driver can show him up.
2015-2019

14 wins, 12 Poles, 54 Podiums.

PH never fails to entertain. hehe
Championshio winning car twice thst he threw away. Literally in Germany in the wet.

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

66 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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vulture1 said:
Leithen said:
Teddy Lop said:
I've been saying he was past it since 2014, ever since he lost being in a perfect car with a journeyman alongside, now even a journeyman grade driver can show him up.
2015-2019

14 wins, 12 Poles, 54 Podiums.

PH never fails to entertain. hehe
Championshio winning car twice thst he threw away. Literally in Germany in the wet.
yeah wow so he won a few races in what was widely considered the fastest car, with no interference from team mate, blew the championships. A proper driver in leclerc came along and despite being no2 (initially, he embarrassed them out of it) pulled his pants down and spanked his bottom. Like Danny did in 2014, when one might assume he was still at his "height"

Maybe past it is the wrong term - if he'd had an Alonso/Hamilton etc alongside him I doubt he'd ever have 1 title.

Muzzer79

9,806 posts

186 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Teddy Lop said:
Maybe past it is the wrong term - if he'd had an Alonso/Hamilton etc alongside him I doubt he'd ever have 1 title.
I am not Vettel’s biggest fan by any means, but I would disagree

With the blown-diffuser era, he found an F1 car that really, really suited his style of driving. That, combined with the fact that it was a better car than others, made him untouchable. I doubt Hamilton would have wiped the floor with him.

Remember, Webber was no slouch and whilst Vettel was the favoured son, I don’t think there was the clear hierarchy as the Schumacher era, for example.

He reminds me a little of Mansell in an active car. Whilst the Williams was good, it really suited Mansell’s way of driving. If he’d stayed for 1993 alongside Prost, my money would firmly have been on Nigel.

Since 2014, I think new regs and a loss of confidence have affected Sebastian.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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vulture1 said:
Leithen said:
Teddy Lop said:
I've been saying he was past it since 2014, ever since he lost being in a perfect car with a journeyman alongside, now even a journeyman grade driver can show him up.
2015-2019

14 wins, 12 Poles, 54 Podiums.

PH never fails to entertain. hehe
Championshio winning car twice thst he threw away. Literally in Germany in the wet.
Nothing to do with Ferrari being outdeveloped and outresourced by Mercedes then?

Ferrari have a habit of this. They start strong and then go on an extended pasta lunch and end up firing everyone.

Boom78

1,193 posts

47 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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I’ve really warmed to the guy over the last few seasons, very witty, clever and an all round nice guy. He’s been humbled a few times but hey ho, he’s only human. I’d love him to turn it around this season, F1 is a better place with him in it.

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

66 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Muzzer79 said:
Teddy Lop said:
Maybe past it is the wrong term - if he'd had an Alonso/Hamilton etc alongside him I doubt he'd ever have 1 title.
I am not Vettel’s biggest fan by any means, but I would disagree

With the blown-diffuser era, he found an F1 car that really, really suited his style of driving. That, combined with the fact that it was a better car than others, made him untouchable. I doubt Hamilton would have wiped the floor with him.

Remember, Webber was no slouch and whilst Vettel was the favoured son, I don’t think there was the clear hierarchy as the Schumacher era, for example.

He reminds me a little of Mansell in an active car. Whilst the Williams was good, it really suited Mansell’s way of driving. If he’d stayed for 1993 alongside Prost, my money would firmly have been on Nigel.

Since 2014, I think new regs and a loss of confidence have affected Sebastian.
meh, its true that the car, the regs, the weight requirements (remember all the bigger drivers like webber all looking skeletal?) all converged into a sweet spot that very much suited Mr vettel, but I remember Hamilton being asked about his "driving style" a while ago.. He pulled a confused face and said "driving style?.. I change my driving style every year... " Mischief perhaps, putting wind up other drivers, probably, but not BS IMO. Optimising the car to the driver is only half the job.

trackdemon

12,149 posts

260 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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I've never really 'got' this driving style thing, I always thought if you can drive you can drive

If you're an absolute top level driver and you find your car is under/oversteering too much surely you just adapt yourself to extract the fastest time the car will give? It's the absolute essence of being a top level driver, surely?

So, to extract from my comment.... if you can only get the best out of one particular style of car, then you're simply not a top level driver are you?

To use a sporting analogy, top level strikers are brilliant no matter where they play or who is passing to them, whereas some shine in a particular set of circumstances when they have the perfect teammates who understand exactly when they need the ball. Is Vettel the Jamie Vardy of F1?

MustangGT

11,555 posts

279 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Schermerhorn said:
Nothing to do with Ferrari being outdeveloped and outresourced by Mercedes then?
No, in two of those years the Ferrari was clearly the better car. The team and driver managed to throw it away.

Chrishum

1,413 posts

67 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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No matter how bad he is at that level he’s still a far better driver than those knocking his ability.

I wonder how many of us could get within 5 seconds of him in a hot hatch let alone a mid field F1 car.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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MustangGT said:
Schermerhorn said:
Nothing to do with Ferrari being outdeveloped and outresourced by Mercedes then?
No, in two of those years the Ferrari was clearly the better car. The team and driver managed to throw it away.
At the beginning of the season(s), yes, Ferrari started faster and was ahead.

By Monza onwards, Mercedes was ahead in development and did a better job overall; less blunders, better car performance. Ferrari lost their advantage. Mercedes ended the years better.

Boom78

1,193 posts

47 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Stick him in the merc or bull and he’d soon discover his mojo, driving at Ferrari must be one of the most overrated thankless energy draining seats in F1, same thing happened to Alonso too. Sort of worry for Carlos going there.

Stan the Bat

8,843 posts

211 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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Chrishum said:
No matter how bad he is at that level he’s still a far better driver than those knocking his ability.

I wonder how many of us could get within 5 seconds of him in a hot hatch let alone a mid field F1 car.
It's not about us mate.

He's finished , one trick pony.

Flooble

5,565 posts

99 months

Saturday 24th April 2021
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trackdemon said:
I've never really 'got' this driving style thing, I always thought if you can drive you can drive

If you're an absolute top level driver and you find your car is under/oversteering too much surely you just adapt yourself to extract the fastest time the car will give? It's the absolute essence of being a top level driver, surely?

So, to extract from my comment.... if you can only get the best out of one particular style of car, then you're simply not a top level driver are you?

To use a sporting analogy, top level strikers are brilliant no matter where they play or who is passing to them, whereas some shine in a particular set of circumstances when they have the perfect teammates who understand exactly when they need the ball. Is Vettel the Jamie Vardy of F1?
That reminds me of the story about Jim Clark (I think) who frustrated the engineers as he just used to drive around any problem so they could never figure out the best setup.

I think people also used to describe Jenson Button as only fast when things were perfect. I guess that all the drivers are fast, but some of them can only extract the final few tenths when things are the way they prefer. So not that they are slow per se, more that they can't achieve their maximum performance unless things are just right for them.