Sebastian Vettel
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Don’t like the bloke but I don’t think he’s finished. Apparently he brings a lot of sponsorship which is key. With his experience in F1 its no surprise he can pull a few successes out of the bag.
I do wonder if he has the emotional intelligence to see that he isn’t fooling anyone except himself when he blames his silly mistakes on others. Must have a thick skin.
I do wonder if he has the emotional intelligence to see that he isn’t fooling anyone except himself when he blames his silly mistakes on others. Must have a thick skin.
Oilchange said:
Don’t like the bloke but I don’t think he’s finished. Apparently he brings a lot of sponsorship which is key. With his experience in F1 its no surprise he can pull a few successes out of the bag.
I do wonder if he has the emotional intelligence to see that he isn’t fooling anyone except himself when he blames his silly mistakes on others. Must have a thick skin.
He strikes me as very intelligent and thoughtful, generous in fact... Sadly all of those qualities evaporate when he makes a tit of himself on track I do wonder if he has the emotional intelligence to see that he isn’t fooling anyone except himself when he blames his silly mistakes on others. Must have a thick skin.
He absolutely knows how childish he can be - he's joked about that aspect of himself a few times. I guess he feels everyone else has got used to and accepted that aspect of him too.
He's certainly a lot more popular as a driver since he stopped winning.
TheDeuce said:
He strikes me as very intelligent and thoughtful, generous in fact... Sadly all of those qualities evaporate when he makes a tit of himself on track
He absolutely knows how childish he can be - he's joked about that aspect of himself a few times. I guess he feels everyone else has got used to and accepted that aspect of him too.
He's certainly a lot more popular as a driver since he stopped winning.
his "full yobbo" act even when he'd been gifted a win through others misfortune, y'know one anyone would take but most would have the good grace to look a little embarassed at, was peak cringe.He absolutely knows how childish he can be - he's joked about that aspect of himself a few times. I guess he feels everyone else has got used to and accepted that aspect of him too.
He's certainly a lot more popular as a driver since he stopped winning.
I've been saying he was past it since 2014, ever since he lost being in a perfect car with a journeyman alongside, now even a journeyman grade driver can show him up.
Having warmed to the new seb and his good humour I made a mistake of watching a review of the 2013 season. What an unpleasant person that was lol.
He seemed to have distilled all shumis worst qualities.
Shumacher became the nicest person ever after F1. Vettel seems ahead of schedule so I guess it must be to do with all the losing.
He seemed to have distilled all shumis worst qualities.
Shumacher became the nicest person ever after F1. Vettel seems ahead of schedule so I guess it must be to do with all the losing.
Leithen said:
Teddy Lop said:
I've been saying he was past it since 2014, ever since he lost being in a perfect car with a journeyman alongside, now even a journeyman grade driver can show him up.
2015-2019 14 wins, 12 Poles, 54 Podiums.
PH never fails to entertain.
vulture1 said:
Leithen said:
Teddy Lop said:
I've been saying he was past it since 2014, ever since he lost being in a perfect car with a journeyman alongside, now even a journeyman grade driver can show him up.
2015-2019 14 wins, 12 Poles, 54 Podiums.
PH never fails to entertain.
Maybe past it is the wrong term - if he'd had an Alonso/Hamilton etc alongside him I doubt he'd ever have 1 title.
Teddy Lop said:
Maybe past it is the wrong term - if he'd had an Alonso/Hamilton etc alongside him I doubt he'd ever have 1 title.
I am not Vettel’s biggest fan by any means, but I would disagreeWith the blown-diffuser era, he found an F1 car that really, really suited his style of driving. That, combined with the fact that it was a better car than others, made him untouchable. I doubt Hamilton would have wiped the floor with him.
Remember, Webber was no slouch and whilst Vettel was the favoured son, I don’t think there was the clear hierarchy as the Schumacher era, for example.
He reminds me a little of Mansell in an active car. Whilst the Williams was good, it really suited Mansell’s way of driving. If he’d stayed for 1993 alongside Prost, my money would firmly have been on Nigel.
Since 2014, I think new regs and a loss of confidence have affected Sebastian.
vulture1 said:
Leithen said:
Teddy Lop said:
I've been saying he was past it since 2014, ever since he lost being in a perfect car with a journeyman alongside, now even a journeyman grade driver can show him up.
2015-2019 14 wins, 12 Poles, 54 Podiums.
PH never fails to entertain.
Ferrari have a habit of this. They start strong and then go on an extended pasta lunch and end up firing everyone.
Muzzer79 said:
Teddy Lop said:
Maybe past it is the wrong term - if he'd had an Alonso/Hamilton etc alongside him I doubt he'd ever have 1 title.
I am not Vettel’s biggest fan by any means, but I would disagreeWith the blown-diffuser era, he found an F1 car that really, really suited his style of driving. That, combined with the fact that it was a better car than others, made him untouchable. I doubt Hamilton would have wiped the floor with him.
Remember, Webber was no slouch and whilst Vettel was the favoured son, I don’t think there was the clear hierarchy as the Schumacher era, for example.
He reminds me a little of Mansell in an active car. Whilst the Williams was good, it really suited Mansell’s way of driving. If he’d stayed for 1993 alongside Prost, my money would firmly have been on Nigel.
Since 2014, I think new regs and a loss of confidence have affected Sebastian.
I've never really 'got' this driving style thing, I always thought if you can drive you can drive
If you're an absolute top level driver and you find your car is under/oversteering too much surely you just adapt yourself to extract the fastest time the car will give? It's the absolute essence of being a top level driver, surely?
So, to extract from my comment.... if you can only get the best out of one particular style of car, then you're simply not a top level driver are you?
To use a sporting analogy, top level strikers are brilliant no matter where they play or who is passing to them, whereas some shine in a particular set of circumstances when they have the perfect teammates who understand exactly when they need the ball. Is Vettel the Jamie Vardy of F1?
If you're an absolute top level driver and you find your car is under/oversteering too much surely you just adapt yourself to extract the fastest time the car will give? It's the absolute essence of being a top level driver, surely?
So, to extract from my comment.... if you can only get the best out of one particular style of car, then you're simply not a top level driver are you?
To use a sporting analogy, top level strikers are brilliant no matter where they play or who is passing to them, whereas some shine in a particular set of circumstances when they have the perfect teammates who understand exactly when they need the ball. Is Vettel the Jamie Vardy of F1?
MustangGT said:
Schermerhorn said:
Nothing to do with Ferrari being outdeveloped and outresourced by Mercedes then?
No, in two of those years the Ferrari was clearly the better car. The team and driver managed to throw it away.By Monza onwards, Mercedes was ahead in development and did a better job overall; less blunders, better car performance. Ferrari lost their advantage. Mercedes ended the years better.
trackdemon said:
I've never really 'got' this driving style thing, I always thought if you can drive you can drive
If you're an absolute top level driver and you find your car is under/oversteering too much surely you just adapt yourself to extract the fastest time the car will give? It's the absolute essence of being a top level driver, surely?
So, to extract from my comment.... if you can only get the best out of one particular style of car, then you're simply not a top level driver are you?
To use a sporting analogy, top level strikers are brilliant no matter where they play or who is passing to them, whereas some shine in a particular set of circumstances when they have the perfect teammates who understand exactly when they need the ball. Is Vettel the Jamie Vardy of F1?
That reminds me of the story about Jim Clark (I think) who frustrated the engineers as he just used to drive around any problem so they could never figure out the best setup.If you're an absolute top level driver and you find your car is under/oversteering too much surely you just adapt yourself to extract the fastest time the car will give? It's the absolute essence of being a top level driver, surely?
So, to extract from my comment.... if you can only get the best out of one particular style of car, then you're simply not a top level driver are you?
To use a sporting analogy, top level strikers are brilliant no matter where they play or who is passing to them, whereas some shine in a particular set of circumstances when they have the perfect teammates who understand exactly when they need the ball. Is Vettel the Jamie Vardy of F1?
I think people also used to describe Jenson Button as only fast when things were perfect. I guess that all the drivers are fast, but some of them can only extract the final few tenths when things are the way they prefer. So not that they are slow per se, more that they can't achieve their maximum performance unless things are just right for them.
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