Sebastian Vettel
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HustleRussell said:
All academic anyway, Vettel's points start expiring next month- he'd have to be a very silly boy to get any kind of ban.
2 points expire on the 19th October, he still has 7 for this season (9 in running 12 month total)..There are 3 races in that period.
As of 19th October he will still be carrying at least 7 points until the 9th of June 2020. There are 14 races between now and then to not get another 5 points..
From 2016 he has scored at least 5 points 3/4 seasons...
I’d say it’s quite probable a ban will be triggered.
Deesee said:
2 points expire on the 19th October, he still has 7 for this season (9 in running 12 month total)..
There are 3 races in that period.
As of 19th October he will still be carrying at least 7 points until the 9th of June 2020. There are 14 races between now and then to not get another 5 points..
From 2016 he has scored at least 5 points 3/4 seasons...
I’d say it’s quite probable a ban will be triggered.
Well he has two options. 1) Do his thing, drive naturally to the best of his ability and risk mistakes/rashness leading to a ban. 2) Drive with a little caution - after all it's perfectly possible not to take any risks... There are 3 races in that period.
As of 19th October he will still be carrying at least 7 points until the 9th of June 2020. There are 14 races between now and then to not get another 5 points..
From 2016 he has scored at least 5 points 3/4 seasons...
I’d say it’s quite probable a ban will be triggered.
I can see that either approach isn't likely to yield the results a WDC might wish for.
Luckily in Singapore, it's likely the Ferrari's won't be doing very much battling. I suspect that it will all be about RB vs Merc at the sharp end.
HTP99 said:
I can see Vettel massively over driving this weekend, he will have a poor grid slot; beaten again by LeClerc and end up binning it at somepoint during the race.
He does seem to get in to a situation where he's worried he's too far back on points, so takes risks to get back up into contention. Which is fair enough in a way, he might as well take risks and have a slim chance of them working out, as opposed to not taking risks and as a result, not making headway. I see it like a poker player who's chips are dwindling - if they wanna get back in to the game, they need to go all in and hope it pays off.The problem is, he seem to get himself in to that sort of viscous circle quite early on each season. It's as if in the opening races he takes risks in the hope of an early advantage, and if it doesn't pay off he's on the back-foot and taking more risks (including over driving in general) just to make up lost points.
Perhaps now he's so far back (115 points off Lewis..), rather than battle desperately he will just stop worrying and focus on his driving without too much stress. That could be great to watch. People often perform better when they're not overly pressured.
Durzel said:
There's no point at all in him thinking about points or the championship. That ship sailed a long time ago.
That said if you don't have absolute surety of your decisions and abilities, and let doubts cloud your judgement you're going to make mistakes and crash at this level.
This is the exact reason DC gave for retiring. That said if you don't have absolute surety of your decisions and abilities, and let doubts cloud your judgement you're going to make mistakes and crash at this level.
From the outside it looks like Seb out of the car is someone who enjoys his privacy and has a passion for cars and history, in the car it's not paying off and hasn't for some time, I also feel that he will be gone quite soon, when he does I can see him enjoying being a brand ambassador and just doing demos and events for fun with no pressure, he will still have a lifestyle that most of us can only dream of and can then dedicate more time to his family, a win win for him
I think he'll see out his contract, it feels slightly too soon for me for him to go at the end of this season. But I think if he's in the same boat this time next year and Ferrari are no closer to Mercedes (2 wins does not a trend make) then I think he'll be off.
As said above Ferrari would be more than happy to wheel him out for promos and the Pilota Limited Edition stuff etc.
As said above Ferrari would be more than happy to wheel him out for promos and the Pilota Limited Edition stuff etc.
Derek Smith said:
I can't see Seb leaving Ferrari this season as they'd be in the lurch to an extent. He's too much of a gentleman for that.
Don’t think it has anything to do with being a gentleman. He needs to prove himself the rest of this year and next to ensure his legacy isn’t tainted somewhat. To be outperformed and ousted by 2 teammates isn’t a good lookMuzzer79 said:
Derek Smith said:
I can't see Seb leaving Ferrari this season as they'd be in the lurch to an extent. He's too much of a gentleman for that.
I still think they’d just bung Raikkonen back in there for a year and then they can put Hulkenberg in the Alfa/SauberI just don't get the love-in for Hulkenberg on this forum.
He's bang average, not achieved anything, the big team owners haven't shown any interest in him and he can't even hold onto a seat at Renault or take the Haas seat from Grosjean. That speaks volumes for team principal opinions of his abilities.
Most of Seb's issues stem from the Ferrari chaos - they haven't managed to produce a car that is anywhere close to consistently challenging Mercedes across a full season, meaning he has been over driving trying to make up for the shortfall. Then this season, the car has such a narrow operating window that is outside his preference that it has all fallen apart. Happens to most drivers at some point in their career. Remember Hamilton having a come together with Massa almost every week in the bad days at McLaren?
If the aero updates get the rear end grip sorted, he could well be back at the sharp end for the rest of the season.
Poppiecock said:
Why?!
I just don't get the love-in for Hulkenberg on this forum.
He's bang average, not achieved anything, the big team owners haven't shown any interest in him and he can't even hold onto a seat at Renault or take the Haas seat from Grosjean. That speaks volumes for team principal opinions of his abilities.
Most of Seb's issues stem from the Ferrari chaos - they haven't managed to produce a car that is anywhere close to consistently challenging Mercedes across a full season, meaning he has been over driving trying to make up for the shortfall. Then this season, the car has such a narrow operating window that is outside his preference that it has all fallen apart. Happens to most drivers at some point in their career. Remember Hamilton having a come together with Massa almost every week in the bad days at McLaren?
If the aero updates get the rear end grip sorted, he could well be back at the sharp end for the rest of the season.
Aero updates? Or aero bodges to make the best of the situation? Either way, it would be announced as an update.I just don't get the love-in for Hulkenberg on this forum.
He's bang average, not achieved anything, the big team owners haven't shown any interest in him and he can't even hold onto a seat at Renault or take the Haas seat from Grosjean. That speaks volumes for team principal opinions of his abilities.
Most of Seb's issues stem from the Ferrari chaos - they haven't managed to produce a car that is anywhere close to consistently challenging Mercedes across a full season, meaning he has been over driving trying to make up for the shortfall. Then this season, the car has such a narrow operating window that is outside his preference that it has all fallen apart. Happens to most drivers at some point in their career. Remember Hamilton having a come together with Massa almost every week in the bad days at McLaren?
If the aero updates get the rear end grip sorted, he could well be back at the sharp end for the rest of the season.
Every part of these cars relies upon every other part to work in harmony. Of course tweaks can be made, but no tweaks will change the fact that Ferrari have at core designed a low drag, low downforce speed machine in a season that is all about downforce and tyre management fidelity. They have made an awesome F1 car, no doubt about it. They just didn't make it for the right year and circuits.
I do agree hulk is pretty average. If he has anything special to show, he's taking an increadibly long time to do so. Long enough for other rookies to become multiple WDC's.
Hulkenburg's unenviable record - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_...
Poppiecock said:
If the aero updates get the rear end grip sorted, he could well be back at the sharp end for the rest of the season.
He certainly needs to start delivering, and quickly. His reputation is looking pretty shaky at this point, and rather backs up the opinion of many that he was only really impressive in a very specific set of circumstances, a bit like Button.Let's see what the rest of the season tells us.
FourWheelDrift said:
Hulkenburg's unenviable record - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_...
If I was running a mid-field team, I'd sooner have Hulkenburg than Vettel though. Because the car will not be the best, and we need it to get to the end and score moderate points every race. I'd be more confident in Hulk doing that and not annoying the team.On the other hand, if I was running a top 3 team. I'd want Max or Lewis and any of Lando/Sainz/Russel/Leclerc.
If Ferrari didn't already have Vettel and the seat was up for grabs to any driver. Do we think they choose him based on this seasons form?
Munter said:
... if I was running a top 3 team. I'd want Max or Lewis and any of Lando/Sainz/Russel/Leclerc...
Going off at a tangent (but that's what Pistonheads does) that's an interesting comment. In your opinion are those four drivers the next best after Max and Lewis? Leclerc I get and Norris has shown good signs but I'm slightly surprised by your choice of Sainz and Russell. Edited by RichB on Friday 20th September 11:28
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