Max Verstappen

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HighwayStar

4,216 posts

143 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Yep... hasn't actually got a clue what he's doing but somehow gets it over the line.
To be fair his engineer is always telling Lewis what to do biggrin
Hell, the engineer is probably a better driver. Right? wink
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He should certanly be paid the same, the results are very much a double act with Lewis.
Meanwhile none of the other drivers talk to their engineers, are advised to push eh wink

anonymous-user

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53 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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NRS said:
Or driving style. Otherwise presumably Max is just doing better than Gasly due to setup too?
It was mentioned before that Gasly's set up causes issues with tyres.

Austria springs to mind. I am sure he had a bad cut during the first stint but I can't 100% confirm.




rival38

485 posts

144 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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This is the confusing thing about Gasly in the Red Bull. Before the British GP, I am sure I saw a clip of Horner / Marko saying they would be doing a lot more to help young Pierre - notably sharing data and set up info from the other side of the garage with him and his mechanics. Then he had a decent outing at Silverstone & I am sure I was not alone in thinking `wow, that made a difference` certainly his whole demeanor that weekend seemed more confident . But since then his performances in Hungary and Germany have been fairly poor, Silverstone now looks like an outlier rather than the start of a better trend. Is the RB a particularly tricky car? I have no idea, or is young Pierre simply not mentally resilient enough to be in a winning car. I have done just enough competitive stuff to know that a `weight of expectation` can be very corrosive to performance - until it is properly dealt with in ones own head!

Bo_apex

2,506 posts

217 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Yep... hasn't actually got a clue what he's doing but somehow gets it over the line.
To be fair his engineer is always telling Lewis what to do biggrin
Hell, the engineer is probably a better driver. Right? wink
biggrin
He should certanly be paid the same, the results are very much a double act with Lewis.
Meanwhile none of the other drivers talk to their engineers, are advised to push eh wink
To a far lesser degree.

Lewis is on the radio more often than Chris Evans

M3ax

1,291 posts

211 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Yep... hasn't actually got a clue what he's doing but somehow gets it over the line.
To be fair his engineer is always telling Lewis what to do biggrin
Hell, the engineer is probably a better driver. Right? wink
biggrin
He should certanly be paid the same, the results are very much a double act with Lewis.
Meanwhile none of the other drivers talk to their engineers, are advised to push eh wink
To a far lesser degree.

Lewis is on the radio more often than Chris Evans
How do you know this?

Hungrymc

6,642 posts

136 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Bo_apex said:
To a far lesser degree.

Lewis is on the radio more often than Chris Evans
You suggesting that other highly professional drivers at the very top of their sport don't use all of the tools at their disposal ? Sounds amateurish to me.

thegreenhell

15,112 posts

218 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Bo_apex said:
To a far lesser degree.

Lewis is on the radio more often than Chris Evans
Lewis' radio is just broadcast on the world feed more often than some other drivers, because of who he is. We only get to hear a fraction of all the radio chatter from all the drivers.

Paul_M3

2,356 posts

184 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Bo_apex said:
To a far lesser degree.

Lewis is on the radio more often than Chris Evans
You do understand that the FOM only broadcasts selected messages....right?

All drivers will be getting information all the time. FOM broadcast more of the top drivers messages because thats who most people are interested in.

In Ross Brawns book he says that one day a fault allowed the scrambled radio messages to be available to all teams. The other teams simply couldn't believe the amount of radio messages going backwards and forwards to Michael Schumacher whilst he was driving around.

Deesee

8,331 posts

82 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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M3ax said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Yep... hasn't actually got a clue what he's doing but somehow gets it over the line.
To be fair his engineer is always telling Lewis what to do biggrin
Hell, the engineer is probably a better driver. Right? wink
biggrin
He should certanly be paid the same, the results are very much a double act with Lewis.
Meanwhile none of the other drivers talk to their engineers, are advised to push eh wink
To a far lesser degree.

Lewis is on the radio more often than Chris Evans
How do you know this?
F1 TV you can listen to them all...

(They only broadcast the good ones on TV).

M3ax

1,291 posts

211 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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I haven’t seen the transcript or listened to them all. If in fact Hamilton speaks to the team more than others then maybe that’s an increment towards his success. Maybe others should have better communication with their engineers. Apart from Kimi of course. He knows what’s he’s doing.

HighwayStar

4,216 posts

143 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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M3ax said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
Yep... hasn't actually got a clue what he's doing but somehow gets it over the line.
To be fair his engineer is always telling Lewis what to do biggrin
Hell, the engineer is probably a better driver. Right? wink
biggrin
He should certanly be paid the same, the results are very much a double act with Lewis.
Meanwhile none of the other drivers talk to their engineers, are advised to push eh wink
To a far lesser degree.

Lewis is on the radio more often than Chris Evans
How do you know this?
He doesn’t, he’s on a wind up hence the wink on the end of my replies to him. He clearly has only basic knowledge, at best, about what he’s posting about...
Other have already explained radio chat etc.. he won’t be interested though. It won’t suit his agenda

KevinCamaroSS

11,553 posts

279 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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M3ax said:
It’s because Hamilton is lucky to be in the best car with the best tires. What part of this don’t you understand? smile
What part of 'They all have the same tyres' do you not understand?

zebra

4,555 posts

213 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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KevinCamaroSS said:
M3ax said:
It’s because Hamilton is lucky to be in the best car with the best tires. What part of this don’t you understand? smile
What part of 'They all have the same tyres' do you not understand?
He knows they are all on the same tyres!

.....but Hamilton is on the best tires as well!

Deesee

8,331 posts

82 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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When Max races at Abu Dhabi in 2019 he will have passed Jackie Stewart in career Race Starts and will still be younger than Lewis Hamilton when he made his Debut in F1.

Dermot O'Logical

2,547 posts

128 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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KevinCamaroSS said:
M3ax said:
It’s because Hamilton is lucky to be in the best car with the best tires. What part of this don’t you understand? smile
What part of 'They all have the same tyres' do you not understand?
For 2019 Mercedes managed to persuade the FIA to make tyres with less rubber in the tread, which were originally designed for high-wear circuits such as Silverstone, because less rubber = less heat, which meant that the Mercedes problem of overheating and blistering the rear tyres went away. Meanwhile, Ferrari and Red Bull were developing their cars to manage the original Pirellis with thicker treads, to keep the tread and carcass temperatures down.

So Mercedes got the tyres that they wanted, and everybody else had to redevelop their cars to manage the revised tyres.

HighwayStar

4,216 posts

143 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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Dermot O'Logical said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
M3ax said:
It’s because Hamilton is lucky to be in the best car with the best tires. What part of this don’t you understand? smile
What part of 'They all have the same tyres' do you not understand?
For 2019 Mercedes managed to persuade the FIA to make tyres with less rubber in the tread, which were originally designed for high-wear circuits such as Silverstone, because less rubber = less heat, which meant that the Mercedes problem of overheating and blistering the rear tyres went away. Meanwhile, Ferrari and Red Bull were developing their cars to manage the original Pirellis with thicker treads, to keep the tread and carcass temperatures down.

So Mercedes got the tyres that they wanted, and everybody else had to redevelop their cars to manage the revised tyres.
That is not what happened
Pirelli came up with the tyres for 2019 after the teams complained the 2018 tyres overheated and blistered. Mercedes didn’t persuade the FIA to do anything.
https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/27073167/plan...

Even Marko and Horner didn’t look on it suspiciously and they are pretty aggressive when fighting their corner. Ferrari, well they do what they always do... if they can’t keep up, they try to hobble their opponent
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-opport...

Edited by HighwayStar on Thursday 8th August 22:26

M3ax

1,291 posts

211 months

Thursday 8th August 2019
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zebra said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
M3ax said:
It’s because Hamilton is lucky to be in the best car with the best tires. What part of this don’t you understand? smile
What part of 'They all have the same tyres' do you not understand?
He knows they are all on the same tyres!

.....but Hamilton is on the best tires as well!
I will make it more obvious when making a tongue in cheek comment in future. I thought the smiley would be enough ....

Bo_apex

2,506 posts

217 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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Paul_M3 said:
In Ross Brawns book he says that one day a fault allowed the scrambled radio messages to be available to all teams. The other teams simply couldn't believe the amount of radio messages going backwards and forwards to Michael Schumacher whilst he was driving around.
Yes apparently those long conversations between Ross and Schumacher were extraordinary, it's a shame we didn't get to hear them.

Hamilton's messages always seem a bit panicky, FOM probably edit accordingly to make the race sound more exciting as he's usually at the front.

Personally I prefer hearing a "leave me alone" from Kimi, or a simple "NO" from Verstappen biggrin

zebra

4,555 posts

213 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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M3ax said:
zebra said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
M3ax said:
It’s because Hamilton is lucky to be in the best car with the best tires. What part of this don’t you understand? smile
What part of 'They all have the same tyres' do you not understand?
He knows they are all on the same tyres!

.....but Hamilton is on the best tires as well!
I will make it more obvious when making a tongue in cheek comment in future. I thought the smiley would be enough ....
Are you tyred if all the comments now?

vdn

8,905 posts

202 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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Bo_apex said:
Paul_M3 said:
In Ross Brawns book he says that one day a fault allowed the scrambled radio messages to be available to all teams. The other teams simply couldn't believe the amount of radio messages going backwards and forwards to Michael Schumacher whilst he was driving around.
Yes apparently those long conversations between Ross and Schumacher were extraordinary, it's a shame we didn't get to hear them.

Hamilton's messages always seem a bit panicky, FOM probably edit accordingly to make the race sound more exciting as he's usually at the front.

Personally I prefer hearing a "leave me alone" from Kimi, or a simple "NO" from Verstappen biggrin
Whatever works ey? His success means he should carry on making whatever radio calls he wants too. As stated; some drivers had more in depth radio calls... nothing unique.