Max Verstappen
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heebeegeetee said:
I completely disagree on similarities between Norris and Rosberg. Rosberg could take a whole string of wins from Hamilton using the same kit.
Norris had a faster car yet completely failed to do likewise to Verstappen.
It seems Rosberg is still underrated.
Rosberg only had to beat one car..... Lando had to beat either a Mercedes, Ferrari or another McLaren. I was not comparing wins. I was comparing the mental approach that needs to change to win the WDC. Rosberg always said that he had to become a really nasty bNorris had a faster car yet completely failed to do likewise to Verstappen.
It seems Rosberg is still underrated.
d to get that WDC. It was something he didn't wan't to repeat so rather than come second to Hamilton again he retired.Lando needs to become that really nasty b
d.... honda_exige said:
CoolHands said:
The rb had cheat devices on it first half of season.
So, undeserving, IMO.
Also interesting to note that in the last race he was finally able to go round corners without driving straight at the other competitors. Haven’t noticed him do that before.
Unsubstantiated and far less of a concrete rumour than Ferrari's fuel flow trick. Besides McLaren had a far more obvious cheat with a DRS that part opened when it wasn't activated. So, undeserving, IMO.
Also interesting to note that in the last race he was finally able to go round corners without driving straight at the other competitors. Haven’t noticed him do that before.
Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively
WPA said:
Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively
Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.RB Will said:
WPA said:
Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively
Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.Possible, sure, likely, no. Coincidence of timing as well. Also statement from brake manufacturer that the brake issue experienced by Max was not a fault with the brakes indicates the probable cause.
RB Will said:
WPA said:
Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively
Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.isaldiri said:
RB Will said:
WPA said:
Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively
Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.MustangGT said:
From winning 7 in 10 to nothing in 10 would require a backwards step as well as all the other teams overcoming the massive deficit at the same time.
Possible, sure, likely, no. Coincidence of timing as well. Also statement from brake manufacturer that the brake issue experienced by Max was not a fault with the brakes indicates the probable cause.
It was absurd how quickly Red Bull fell off a cliff. Possible, sure, likely, no. Coincidence of timing as well. Also statement from brake manufacturer that the brake issue experienced by Max was not a fault with the brakes indicates the probable cause.
Seriously mental.
paulguitar said:
We don't know the whole story, but I can't think of quite such a dramatic mid-season loss of form in the past from a previously dominant constructor. So it does look a bit suspicious. Quite a lot suspicious.
Not really. Newey designed the car to be optimal, with the brake splitter functioning. When the MaFIA ordered RB to remove it, it was akin to ordering Usain Bolt to run the 100m barefoot.isaldiri said:
RB Will said:
WPA said:
Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively
Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.paulguitar said:
isaldiri said:
RB Will said:
WPA said:
Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively
Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.deadslow said:
paulguitar said:
isaldiri said:
RB Will said:
WPA said:
Yes other teams got quicker but RB slipped back massively
Didnt one of the F1 journos do an analysis that showed that RB were still up on last year and progressing this year but it was a tiny amount and everyone else had come on leaps and bounds, so RB didnt actually go backwards, just not very forwards.TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Be interesting to see how he does next year in a non dominant car (unless Red Bull find a new way to cheat of course). I suspect he has won his last WDC. I would put money on it. In fact I have.
Unless the 2025 car is a complete pup, he will be there or there abouts next year. The cars aren’t going to be massively different in fundamental spec next year. RB have been working hard at M.K. developing the 2025 package. It’s one reason why the 2024 car recently wasn't what it was at the start of the season. With Newey gone, they had to think smarter, earlier than usual. I hope Max gets number 5 next year. Unlike some on the grid, Max has proven he can still deliver, in a less than perfect package, many times. That’s what differentiates a true great from ‘greats’ who prove they aren’t actually ‘great’ once the car advantage evaporates.Edited by Dbag101 on Tuesday 26th November 17:18
Bas Jaski said:
paulguitar said:
Yes, overall this year's Red Bull has been the best car. It's been a bit like 2009, a huge advantage at the start of the season that then disappeared. It seems some people are forgetting what the first half of this season was like.
Not quite sure in which world 5/22(24) is half but you're free to imagine it I suppose. Comparing this to Rosberg is rather unfair. Nico KNEW he was at best a match for Lewis, usually a teeny bit slower, so he simply found out eventually that he had to do as much as humanly possible for a time to win, even going as far as not painting his helmet as over a race this tiny weight saving might cost a few tenths.
The level of detail he went to was astonishing and that is also why he could never and would never ever do it again, as it was too much for him and it took it out of him and his wife.
I personally think it is one of the most staggering titles in recent history as it was like Webber beating Vettel, Rubens or Irvine beating Schuey or imagine now Perez beating Max. The albeit only just slower driver beating the guy with the talent, momentum and everything.
Lando clearly has the talent to win regardless of team mate and regardless of Max if things go his way, I could never see Nico winning in anything but the best car on the grid.
The level of detail he went to was astonishing and that is also why he could never and would never ever do it again, as it was too much for him and it took it out of him and his wife.
I personally think it is one of the most staggering titles in recent history as it was like Webber beating Vettel, Rubens or Irvine beating Schuey or imagine now Perez beating Max. The albeit only just slower driver beating the guy with the talent, momentum and everything.
Lando clearly has the talent to win regardless of team mate and regardless of Max if things go his way, I could never see Nico winning in anything but the best car on the grid.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Be interesting to see how he does next year in a non dominant car (unless Red Bull find a new way to cheat of course). I suspect he has won his last WDC. I would put money on it. In fact I have.
Since Miami pretty much Mclaren have had the best car.Norris has won 3 races since then. Verstappen has won 4. That's not all that bad for someone in comparison to the lead driver of the dominant team I'd suggest.
isaldiri said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Be interesting to see how he does next year in a non dominant car (unless Red Bull find a new way to cheat of course). I suspect he has won his last WDC. I would put money on it. In fact I have.
Since Miami pretty much Mclaren have had the best car.Norris has won 3 races since then. Verstappen has won 4. That's not all that bad for someone in comparison to the lead driver of the dominant team I'd suggest.
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