Wiliams documentary film
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Crafty_ said:
The FW06 and 7 are privately owned too, I didn't quite catch the owner names but I think they are raced too.
I think Festival of Speed has helped with visibility of the old cars. TV has helped too - Sky have been showing a bit with Damon and his '96 car, they've done features on Senna's cars too. Brundle was driving the FW08B which will be a feature on banned cars.
I wonder if Liberty Media could look to do something with them at GPs.
We already have some support races for the modern F1 events, this year at the Canadian, USA and Mexican GP's.I think Festival of Speed has helped with visibility of the old cars. TV has helped too - Sky have been showing a bit with Damon and his '96 car, they've done features on Senna's cars too. Brundle was driving the FW08B which will be a feature on banned cars.
I wonder if Liberty Media could look to do something with them at GPs.
I think its likely this will only expand further as they try to give the events more activities for spectators. We already have a pretty full calendar though with the historic events already well established.
jsf said:
markcoznottz said:
Same old story then really, getting on by screwing other people over, especially suppliers, I bet they don't see it as 'hilarious' at all.
The motorsport world is full of that aspect, sadly. Especially so the F1 lower teams who often take suppliers down when they cant pay their bills. If you want to survive you don't offer credit.markcoznottz said:
jsf said:
markcoznottz said:
Same old story then really, getting on by screwing other people over, especially suppliers, I bet they don't see it as 'hilarious' at all.
The motorsport world is full of that aspect, sadly. Especially so the F1 lower teams who often take suppliers down when they cant pay their bills. If you want to survive you don't offer credit.
carl_w said:
stemll said:
BBC Films -- does that mean that us licence payers will get to see it on the telly box at some point?Not sure I'll be waiting though. DVD/BluRay release 14th August.
Late to the party on this one, I bought the dvd on the release date and kind of forgot about it. I finally got around to watching it tonight and found it a really good watch, and quite emotional in places; the scene where Claire reads the extract from her Mother's book to Frank particularly so. The steely eyed determination from Frank in the closing scene when he answers the question about Williams ever being on top again summed up his drive and character perfectly too. I was a little surprised there wasn't more detail in relation to the aftermath of Senna's accident, but I guess it's still a sensitive subject. Well worth a watch.
Watched this last night on Netflix. Quite poignant at times, seemed to skip around in terms of timeline quite a bit though. I guess there's more than enough in Senna covering that weekend not to need to cover it in depth. Sad to hear him say he sleeps at the factory because there's no-one to go home to. Determined chap.
miniman said:
Watched this last night on Netflix. Quite poignant at times, seemed to skip around in terms of timeline quite a bit though. I guess there's more than enough in Senna covering that weekend not to need to cover it in depth. Sad to hear him say he sleeps at the factory because there's no-one to go home to. Determined chap.
Also watched this on Netflix on Sunday and can only echo the above, I was also very impressed by how candid Claire Williams is in the film about her feelings especially given the restraint of Sir Frank!It's definitely an interesting watch, and doesn't exactly go out of its way to gloss over anything; lots of flawed characters. Certainly no effort to disguise the fallout from someone having an interest in their life that they've pursued to the exclusion of almost everyone and everything else.
I can see why the keys to the shop have gone the way they have; someone has inherited a lot of the hard personality from both their parents.
I can see why the keys to the shop have gone the way they have; someone has inherited a lot of the hard personality from both their parents.
Crafty_ said:
Frank was regarded as a bit of a joke back then, permanently scrounging for money from anyone he could - I think he was one of the first to go looking for local sponsors when at the track.
Isn't this still the case somewhat.Old Merc said:
I have a Cosworth DFV piston on my desk at home that I found in Frank`s skip.I think it came from a Iso Marlboro blown engine. Two crazy things there. I was allowed to wander around his workshop and take home bits of engines. They were rebuilding there own engines on site !! no wonder they blew up.
Just imagine today an employee of Williams letting his mate into the workshop and letting him take home a Mercedes piston.
That sounds bad dude. I wonder how long this would have been the case? Some things went missing in 1994 and nobody knows where. This could be an answer.Just imagine today an employee of Williams letting his mate into the workshop and letting him take home a Mercedes piston.
8V085 said:
That sounds bad dude. I wonder how long this would have been the case? Some things went missing in 1994 and nobody knows where. This could be an answer.
The DFV was rebuilt by many teams back in the day, you had companies like Nicholson McLaren doing customer rebuilds, Cosworth had far too many engines in the field to service them all.All the teams used to throw the old kit in the skip, it was worthless junk as far as they were concerned. When Williams shut down the touring car team most of that stock went straight in the skip. A lot of it came straight out again and some people made a tidy sum on it, but Williams were more concerned about emptying the buildings so they didn't get hit with more rent and rates costs. They had already made the money on the parts they threw away.
I watched it last night on netflix. Interesting character profile/documentary. The feud between brother an sister is foolish though. The brief excerpts of Johnathon tells me he is 'no leader' and could not manage that business. Equally he isn't ruthless enough as he got screwed over by his sister ( his words ). If you are reading this JW, give it up and patch it up with your sister, you didn't get the gig because you aren't tough enough/ politically astute nor ruthless enough, and that's why your sister beat you to the post. Also you seem to be happy doing the job of Parts man - says it all.
TVR Moneypit said:
Dave Brodie as in BBR Dave Brodie?
What's the link there then between those two?
Yes, that Dave Brodie. They're old friends, see this article for example: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article...What's the link there then between those two?
Jerry Can said:
I watched it last night on netflix. Interesting character profile/documentary. The feud between brother an sister is foolish though. The brief excerpts of Johnathon tells me he is 'no leader' and could not manage that business. Equally he isn't ruthless enough as he got screwed over by his sister ( his words ). If you are reading this JW, give it up and patch it up with your sister, you didn't get the gig because you aren't tough enough/ politically astute nor ruthless enough, and that's why your sister beat you to the post. Also you seem to be happy doing the job of Parts man - says it all.
Totally agree. Life’s way too short. Unfortunately I was left with the impressionist n that they’ll drift further apart.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff