FIA "spy gate" censored documents...uncensored!

[LaurasOtherHalf]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/09/20/ferrari-and-...

In a blunder that can only be described as, well I'll let you be the judge of that-the FIA released the spy gate documents yesterday with redacted passages only needing to be copied and pasted into a new document

So if you've ever wanted to see what happens in't concorde place, get your handbags out and read on...

[hairyben]

Yes. Anyone and everyone who knew anything knew all the pertinent details allready, so they were only really creating a superflous air of mystique to accompany the hatchet job spanky was doing on mclaren, but the FIA still managed to cock it up. Was much amusing very though.

[Derek Smith]

I'm not sure what F1 Fanatic is on about. The redacted report was published on the FIA website after the hearing, presumably the FIA's boss's desire to preen. I received a PM from a pher to the effect that I should download it, which is did, and then I was told to paste it and the redactions would disappear, which they did.

This was some years ago now so it seems strange that it has just reached Facebook.

I was researching the farce about three years after the original publication and searched online and found the unredacted report easily.

It was either pathetically inept or a pathetic attempt to get back at Dennis, the bloke who outlasted the FIA bloke by years.

[cuprabob]

I think the OP has been caught out with the date of the article being 20/9/2007 thinking it was published today when in fact it's 10 years old

[LaurasOtherHalf]

cuprabob said:

I think the OP has been caught out with the date of the article being 20/9/2007 thinking it was published today when in fact it's 10 years old

Oh FFS

(In my defence I didn't have the internet back in 2007!)

[markcoznottz]

Mosley despised Dennis, probably because he was an uneducated grease monkey who achieved greatness, whilst mosley's own efforts at running a team were less than great.

[DanielSan]

markcoznottz said:

Mosley despised Dennis, probably because he was an uneducated grease monkey who achieved greatness, whilst mosley's own efforts at running a team were less than great.

Why was the rumoured quote? '10 million for cheating, 90 million because Ron is a '

[Dakkon]

DanielSan said:

markcoznottz said:

Mosley despised Dennis, probably because he was an uneducated grease monkey who achieved greatness, whilst mosley's own efforts at running a team were less than great.

Why was the rumoured quote? '10 million for cheating, 90 million because Ron is a '

Yup, that is pretty much what Spanky said, Mosely is a turd.

[hairyben]

Dakkon said:

DanielSan said:

markcoznottz said:

Mosley despised Dennis, probably because he was an uneducated grease monkey who achieved greatness, whilst mosley's own efforts at running a team were less than great.

Why was the rumoured quote? '10 million for cheating, 90 million because Ron is a '

Yup, that is pretty much what Spanky said, Mosely is a turd.

Do you remember where you were when spankygate broke?

I didnt allow myself to laugh for a few hours as it was simply too good to be true; shame the nasty old perv didnt take the cue and disappear - he still pops up even now from time to time, the man just has no shame.

[Derek Smith]

hairyben said:

Do you remember where you were when spankygate broke?

I didnt allow myself to laugh for a few hours as it was simply too good to be true; shame the nasty old perv didnt take the cue and disappear - he still pops up even now from time to time, the man just has no shame.

I was standing in a queue at WH Smiths and there were about three people in front talking about it. Two went off to buy a NotW and pushed back in front of me, much to my irritation. I saw the pictures and decided not to spend the money. I mean, he's not the type Rodin might have used as a model.

I was surprised when, given his history as a far right politician in his father's (some say mother's) party, Eady assumed there was no nazi theme, but then we must accept what unbiased judges say.

I'm with the nasty little man. He wants the right to be forgotten and that's what we should do, forget all about him. I think it has rubbed off on Eady as after that decision he hasn't graced the news with any of his cases. For all the criticisms of Todt, out of the three blokes in charge of the FIA I think he's been the best. Not that that is saying all that much, but it is a positive.

As for the punishment, it seems odd that another team can cheat over a number of races, set fire to a car, driver, mechanics, pits, press rooms and large parts of Germany and just be asked if they wouldn't mind not doing it again, pretty please, whereas trusted engineers from Ferrari and McLaren can collude for their own purposes and just McLaren be fined.

I liked Hamilton's response to being offered a get out of jail free card by the bloke who wants to be, and should be, forgotten. He alone out of the three drivers told him where to put it, although there was a thermometre in the way. Started to take to him then, beyond just his driving.

It is as if he tried to destroy McL; he seriously damaged it. Hopefully, the Renault partnership will be the start of the long road back.

[gmaz]

Its a shame that NIgel Stepney died with his secrets and never released the book that was promised.

[markcoznottz]

gmaz said:

Its a shame that NIgel Stepney died with his secrets and never released the book that was promised.

There's an old video on YT lotus fitting the Renault turbo in its car, with mansells mate peter warr running the show, Stepney is sat in the car. Sad end to a career.

[f1rob]

Nigel book was written wasn't it ? He had received notice from the publisher that they weren't going to publish it, or did I dream that ?
How it all ended is crooked as a crooked thing that's crooked

[Krikkit]

One thing I never understood about spygate, how did Alonso and De La Rosa get away with being involved with 'nare a blemish on their reputation? It's clearly documented that they were both intimately involved in the information gleaned from Ferrari, yet it's never mentioned or punished.

[hairyben]

Krikkit said:

One thing I never understood about spygate, how did Alonso and De La Rosa get away with being involved with 'nare a blemish on their reputation? It's clearly documented that they were both intimately involved in the information gleaned from Ferrari, yet it's never mentioned or punished.

They'd have thrown 'rosa under the bus but teflonsos always had the knack of crawling out the cesspit smelling of roses. Singapore anyone?

[hairyben]

Derek Smith said:

He wants the right to be forgotten and that's what we should do, forget all about him.

No, he wants the right to control, in this case what knowledge there is of him - if he wanted to be forgotten then not popping up in the media whenever some hack is desperate for inches would be a good start. The nature of his embarrassment is quite a metaphore. He even blamed the paper for causing him marriage issues IIRC, such is his delusion.

[LeoSayer]

Krikkit said:

One thing I never understood about spygate, how did Alonso and De La Rosa get away with being involved with 'nare a blemish on their reputation? It's clearly documented that they were both intimately involved in the information gleaned from Ferrari, yet it's never mentioned or punished.

Immunity from sanction in return for information. Along with Hamilton I believe.

[Derek Smith]

LeoSayer said:

Krikkit said:

One thing I never understood about spygate, how did Alonso and De La Rosa get away with being involved with 'nare a blemish on their reputation? It's clearly documented that they were both intimately involved in the information gleaned from Ferrari, yet it's never mentioned or punished.

Immunity from sanction in return for information. Along with Hamilton I believe.

Not with Hamilton. He was offered it and he more or less told the FIA one man attack on Dennis to stick it.

It does indeed seem odd that the only ones there was any concrete evidence against were not touched. There was no dependable evidence against McL, despite the enquiry going through more evidence than any police enquiry I know of.

The response to the findings by Whitmarsh - which pointed out the anomalies in the findings, but 'with respect' - pointed this out. It is well worth a read. I say Whitmarsh, but it was probably McL's lawyers as it ran as close to outright rejection as possible without incurring further penalty. A lawyer friend of mine whose then job involved people defending themselves against discipline and such, said that it was well over the line and that McL had taken a big risk.

The bloke who found Dennis guilty admitted later that he believed Dennis knew nothing of whatever it was McL was accused of.

There was no similar enquiry into Ferrari, one feels that 'of course' should be added there, despite their man being the lead in the attempt to sell information to other teams. What was apparent was that it was collusion between two trusted employees. This sort of thing, although perhaps not quite to that extent, went on in the pitlane as a norm, and probably still does. Indeed, McL had been injured by similar action before, but the bloke in charge of the FIA said it didn't matter.

I did a lot of work and research on the subject, helped tremendously by a fellow PHer, and I was enraged by what I found out.

Still am.

I had an F1 fanzine website at the time and posted the whole of my research on it. The articles had the most hits of any I'd published. I corresponded with some of the visitors for years afterwards.

One of the correspondents was of the opinion, and I respected his suggestions and never found one that was wrong, that the attack on McL, and the farcical fine, is what cost the bloke's job. He reckoned that his allies were worried that he was getting ideas above his station at the time of the 2005 USA GP, the one that, in effect, didn't take place.

Despite there being ways around the problem of tyre safety, being pushed by just about everyone in order to protect F1 in the USA, the decision only to run six, with just one car possibly winning, was seen as shooting the sport in the foot. Then the blame was placed firmly at the feet of a company that put money into the sport. Similar to, in fact, the McL attack which was not so much the final straw as an attack on the credibility of the sport. Making a mountain out of a dent in the ground sort of thing. It could not, in the mind of those with real authority in the sport rather than the logo, be allowed to go on.

It's a shame that I could never work out who actually torpedoed the chap. I trying to think of who would have lost most money by the debacle of F1 in the USA.

[Rich_W]

gmaz said:

Its a shame that NIgel Stepney died with his secrets and never released the book that was promised.

I confess I missed that he had died.


Wiki makes it sound like Suicide. But coroner recorded "open" I guess no note left.