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He had a great weekend, lots to learn about the cars and tyres of course, but he kept it clean, showed he had pace and raced well to the end.
I don't recall seeing him make any mistakes over the whole weekend. Hopefully he gets another chance to show what he can do now he has a race weekends worth of experience of the car and tyres.
I don't recall seeing him make any mistakes over the whole weekend. Hopefully he gets another chance to show what he can do now he has a race weekends worth of experience of the car and tyres.
phugleigh said:
Think he's great - fast in qualifying mode and fast in the race,
stepped out of f1 honestly because it wasn't right time and steps back in because he's ready. endurance racing has made him ready.
What would be nice would be opening the door for the Porsche boys and girls once more.
He was ‘stepped out’....not his choice...stepped out of f1 honestly because it wasn't right time and steps back in because he's ready. endurance racing has made him ready.
What would be nice would be opening the door for the Porsche boys and girls once more.
rubystone said:
He was ‘stepped out’....not his choice...
He was, then he picked himself up and put the hard work in to build a career. His story post Red Bull Juniors is the classic old school driver with low/no budget making sacrifices to keep driving anything with wheels on it whilst living on the other side of the world from home. Not something you really see these days making it to F1. Lets hope we see him given another shot at it, he made a great impression this weekend.
ajprice said:
Happy for Hartley, but Kvyat must be miffed at that. After scoring a point yesterday and being well ahead of Hartley, he was probably thinking it was a job well done.
His best lap, though, was well slower. Hartley was improving all weekend. Glad he's been given the opportunity, now up to him to prove his worth. Kyvat, generally, hasn't.ajprice said:
Happy for Hartley, but Kvyat must be miffed at that. After scoring a point yesterday and being well ahead of Hartley, he was probably thinking it was a job well done.
Kvyat is at the top of his learning curve, I doubt he is surprised by TR wanting to try someone else who is just starting out, his demeanour in the post race interviews showed he saw it coming. If Brendon and Gasly do a decent job and show progress each time out, I would expect that his career with them is over.F1 and Red Bull is a brutal environment for a driver, he hasn't performed well enough this year, so its not surprising he doesn't have a confirmed place yet.
Red Bull may have a problem for 2019 in terms of a driver replacement for Ricciardo, and I would think they cant count on Sainz replacing him because it may come down to them needing a Renault engine for 2019 if the Honda is still no good, that could come as a swap for retaining Sainz, who is clearly going to be Renaults best driver next year IMHO. Kvyat has already had his chance with Red Bull, so it wont be him they take on, so why give him a seat in the junior team?
Basically, Brendon and Pierre have an opportunity to prove they can do the job for 2018 in the next few races, if they perform well enough I would expect them to get a chance.
rubystone said:
Stark truth is that STR don’t have a top drawer up and coming driver on the books right now. Their philosophy of being the proving ground for talent for the senior team will be fatally holed if they employ Hartley. He’s too old, simple as.
Really?Brendon is 27
He is younger than Bottas 28, Ricciardo 28, Vettel 30, Raikkonen 38, Grosjean 31, Alonso 36, Massa 36, Hulkenberg 30, Hamilton 32
Same age as Ericsson 27 and Perez 27
Palmer 26 is one year younger
Vandoorne 25 and Magnuson 25 are only 2 years younger.
He isn't a rookie driver trying to start professional racing at 27, he is a Le Mans winner and World Champion (possibly double this year) with 3 years factory Porsche experience in a very complex hybrid car prototype formula.
Why do you think him too old based on the ages of the other drivers on the grid? It should only take him a few races to be fully up to speed in an F1 car. If he isn't fast enough after a few races then fair enough, but age is no boundary when you have drivers 11 years older than him as still top line.
rubystone said:
Stark truth is that STR don’t have a top drawer up and coming driver on the books right now. Their philosophy of being the proving ground for talent for the senior team will be fatally holed if they employ Hartley. He’s too old, simple as.
Completely. Fatally flawed. Recntly, they've only brought Verstappen to RB, and Saintz in holding pattern at Renault quite accessible. Meanwhile, previous RB junior drivers Buemi, Hartley, Vergne etc languish doing nothing, like winning Le Mans, WEC or dominating Formula E. The whole Torso Rosso thing has been a waste of time from the off. Especially those years with Vettel. Total no hoperhe'll never win anything.rubystone said:
Stark truth is that STR don’t have a top drawer up and coming driver on the books right now. Their philosophy of being the proving ground for talent for the senior team will be fatally holed if they employ Hartley. He’s too old, simple as.
- Looks at Sainz and Gasly*
Marko gets a bad press, but one day in the future, if Red Bull move on from F1, we will look back at the last ten years as a golden era in a team/brand investing in talent.
In a world where former championship winning teams such as Renault and Williams have had to take pay drivers, the FOM business model has killed off the HRT/Manor/Caterham opportunity for young drivers yet encouraged top teams to de-risk by taking steady prize money earners such as Kimi and Massa, only Red Bull have shown imagination.
Yes, Alguesuari, Vergne, Kvyat , Speed, Bourdais and Buemi were sidelined. But if Marko had thought they had more potential than Webber in 09-12 they'dve been promoted as quickly as Max, Daniel and Seb were.
It has been a brutal scheme for some, but I can't argue with the decisions. They will soon have a lot of data on Gasly v Sainz, Kyvat and Hartley to make the next cull.
In a world where former championship winning teams such as Renault and Williams have had to take pay drivers, the FOM business model has killed off the HRT/Manor/Caterham opportunity for young drivers yet encouraged top teams to de-risk by taking steady prize money earners such as Kimi and Massa, only Red Bull have shown imagination.
Yes, Alguesuari, Vergne, Kvyat , Speed, Bourdais and Buemi were sidelined. But if Marko had thought they had more potential than Webber in 09-12 they'dve been promoted as quickly as Max, Daniel and Seb were.
It has been a brutal scheme for some, but I can't argue with the decisions. They will soon have a lot of data on Gasly v Sainz, Kyvat and Hartley to make the next cull.
thegreenhell said:
The fuel thing never crossed my mind, but of course.... ex Le mans, he's going to be s
t hot at fuel saving. Very useful skill to have if you can be fast as well as sipping fuel.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff