The Official 2017 US Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[HustleRussell]

stiII_I_undomyseatbelts said:

Basically this effup proves that the only way to make racing fair again is to turn these red paved areas and the paved run off areas into either grass or gravel traps. This wouldn't have happened if this track wasn't designed by the GranTurismo generation for the GranTurismo generation.

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[S0 What]

HustleRussell said:

moanthebairns said:

to get on your tits xxx

I reckon you're wasting your time, I find MotoGP pretty boring because it has a similar amount of action to F1 but I'm not engaged with it in the same way because I fundamentally prefer car racing. BSB is where it's at for bike racing anyway.

Perhaps you fundamentally prefer bike racing. That's fine. People are different from you.

He likes vibrations round his but hole possably ?
moto GP allways looks like leather clad dildo riding to me but hey i don't judge, one of my best friends is gay.

[moanthebairns]

S0 What said:

HustleRussell said:

moanthebairns said:

to get on your tits xxx

I reckon you're wasting your time, I find MotoGP pretty boring because it has a similar amount of action to F1 but I'm not engaged with it in the same way because I fundamentally prefer car racing. BSB is where it's at for bike racing anyway.

Perhaps you fundamentally prefer bike racing. That's fine. People are different from you.

He likes vibrations round his but hole possably ?
moto GP allways looks like leather clad dildo riding to me but hey i don't judge, one of my best friends is gay.

You weren't allowed a motorbike were you xxx or you'd probably kill yourself on one because your that mental behind the wheel

[S0 What]

To the race, Max deserved the 5 sec penalty, shame for danny ric, i recon they swapped cars to hide a fuel shortage, horner left his wig in the cockpit and needed it back before the end of the race, ect ect ect
Well done Lewis at least we got an overtake for the lead.
kimi finds top gear at last (bit late in the season as usuall)
men on motorbikes look gay, men in cars look awsome bla bla bla

[stiII_I_undomyseatbelts]

HustleRussell said:

stiII_I_undomyseatbelts said:

Basically this effup proves that the only way to make racing fair again is to turn these red paved areas and the paved run off areas into either grass or gravel traps. This wouldn't have happened if this track wasn't designed by the GranTurismo generation for the GranTurismo generation.

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Which part would you like me to dissect for you Corky?

[VladD]

StevieBee said:

I know what you're saying but there was plenty of space for Max to have avoided Kimi tightening into the bend and still keeping the majority of two wheels on the circuit. The photo shows him to be clearly way off the circuit. It may not have been intentional but exceed the limits he did.

Max and Kimi got fairly close to touching. From the replay I get the feeling that Kimi went left a bit to avoid contact and Max went right a bit for the same reason, resulting in a fairly large gap appearing, making it look like Max was taking the piss rather than just avoiding contact.

[M3ax]

Just as an aside, I think it's been great this year but we should all rejoice at the talent that's coming through. Vestappen, saint, ocon etc. Could be in for a great period of F1.

[HustleRussell]

stiII_I_undomyseatbelts said:

HustleRussell said:

stiII_I_undomyseatbelts said:

Basically this effup proves that the only way to make racing fair again is to turn these red paved areas and the paved run off areas into either grass or gravel traps. This wouldn't have happened if this track wasn't designed by the GranTurismo generation for the GranTurismo generation.

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Which part would you like me to dissect for you Corky?

The part where 62 year old circuit designer is 'GranTurismo generation'?

[Smitters]

stiII_I_undomyseatbelts said:

Which part would you like me to dissect for you Corky?

I think the bit when you refer to a German in his 60's as "the Playstation generation".

[stiII_I_undomyseatbelts]

You ageists, are you suggesting he's too old to play games?

PS hopefully the rest of my post is ok with you boss? If not let me quote still I rize for you:

skysports said:

And race winner Lewis Hamilton, while of the belief that Verstappen deserved his US GP penalty, said the design of modern tracks makes this sort of move possible.

"He's off-track," the championship leader told Sky F1. "This is the problem with today's circuits. I don't know who made the decision but there's all these run-off areas. Why is that not grass? If that was grass he wouldn't have gone there.

"I just don't know why there's these flaws on these circuits. Particularly the new generation of driver comes in and is very happy to exploit these things. Clearly he's way off the line. You can't go there.

[angrymoby]

ahhh yes, it's half term isn't it

[Smitters]

HustleRussell said:

The part where 62 year old circuit designer is 'GranTurismo generation'?

Damn my fat fingers and slow typing, plus your improved accuracy, pandering even, to a German stereotype.

[stiII_I_undomyseatbelts]

angrymoby said:

ahhh yes, it's half term isn't it

I bet you can't wait to get back to school, eh?

[InductionRoar]

angrymoby said:

InductionRoar said:

We are so lucky to have posters on PH, whose individual contributions hold far more weight than the entire C4 commentary team and even the great Niki Lauda, whose combined experience in the sport clearly counts for nothing against such armchair luminaries.

C4 coverage didn't show/have access to that shot of Max about half a meter over the line, so i doubt Niki did either ...so not entirely sure he'd hold that opinion now

although the 2 ex RBR drivers probably do

You think Niki Lauda obtains his information from the C4 coverage? I'm sure the Mercedes team operate at a higher level than that. Undoubtedly, they have the PH thread open on their laptops and gain the insight of the experts on here rather than their in-house statisticians.

[stiII_I_undomyseatbelts]

InductionRoar said:

You think Niki Lauda obtains his information from the C4 coverage? I'm sure the Mercedes team operate at a higher level than that. Undoubtedly, they have the PH thread open on their laptops and gain the insight of the experts on here rather than their in-house statisticians.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lauda-verstappen-us-gp-penalty-worst-decision-969285/

Looks like Niki might be basing his views on some past agreements with FIA/stewards and his views are nothing more than common sense.

[thegreenhell]

InductionRoar said:

angrymoby said:

InductionRoar said:

We are so lucky to have posters on PH, whose individual contributions hold far more weight than the entire C4 commentary team and even the great Niki Lauda, whose combined experience in the sport clearly counts for nothing against such armchair luminaries.

C4 coverage didn't show/have access to that shot of Max about half a meter over the line, so i doubt Niki did either ...so not entirely sure he'd hold that opinion now

although the 2 ex RBR drivers probably do

You think Niki Lauda obtains his information from the C4 coverage? I'm sure the Mercedes team operate at a higher level than that. Undoubtedly, they have the PH thread open on their laptops and gain the insight of the experts on here rather than their in-house statisticians.

Lauda is just being political because he'd rather Red Bull get the points than his arch-rivals Ferrari. He always shooting his mouth off about something. The other main vociferous objectors to the penalty have been members of the Red Bull team and former Red Bull drivers, so no bias there.

[HustleRussell]

InductionRoar said:

angrymoby said:

InductionRoar said:

We are so lucky to have posters on PH, whose individual contributions hold far more weight than the entire C4 commentary team and even the great Niki Lauda, whose combined experience in the sport clearly counts for nothing against such armchair luminaries.

C4 coverage didn't show/have access to that shot of Max about half a meter over the line, so i doubt Niki did either ...so not entirely sure he'd hold that opinion now

although the 2 ex RBR drivers probably do

You think Niki Lauda obtains his information from the C4 coverage? I'm sure the Mercedes team operate at a higher level than that. Undoubtedly, they have the PH thread open on their laptops and gain the insight of the experts on here rather than their in-house statisticians.

Your withering comments are very droll InductionRoar. Niki Lauda is I am sure a straight-up chap and is not known for his moderate views, however he does have a horse in the race and Ferrari are the number one enemy. I think it’s quite likely that we the viewers had a better look at the incident than the pundits did in the few minutes between the room of awkwardness shenanigans and the post podium link. In any case, given C4 as an example, Jones is there to be the jester, Webber and Coulthard are both ex-Red Bull drivers and I’m sure Eddie has some historical connection too. Everybody knows that Raikkonen is yesterday’s man and Verstappen is the golden boy. Verstappen has a truly huge anf growing fanbase. These pundits are also painfully aware that such penalties are unpopular with the viewing public so they have to frame these decisions with scepticism. Enforcement (or not) of track limits is a divisive topic anyway.

In short, it isn’t black and white, and we are not obliged to agree with Lauda, the stewards or anybody else for our opinions to be aired and discussed.

[768]

HustleRussell said:

Niki Lauda is I am sure a straight-up chap and is not known for his moderate views, however he does have a horse in the race and Ferrari are the number one enemy

I'm not sure Raikkonen is in any race that Mercedes are.

I guess if we can't trust an ex-Red Bull driver we should look for the opinion of an ex-Ferrari driver.

[HustleRussell]

768 said:

HustleRussell said:

Niki Lauda is I am sure a straight-up chap and is not known for his moderate views, however he does have a horse in the race and Ferrari are the number one enemy

I'm not sure Raikkonen is in any race that Mercedes are.

I guess if we can't trust an ex-Red Bull driver we should look for the opinion of an ex-Ferrari driver.

I thought he did a pretty good job of going past Bottas actually.

IMO the system is far from perfect but on this occasion the stewards got it right.

[InductionRoar]

HustleRussell said:

Your withering comments are very droll InductionRoar. Niki Lauda is I am sure a straight-up chap and is not known for his moderate views, however he does have a horse in the race and Ferrari are the number one enemy. I think it’s quite likely that we the viewers had a better look at the incident than the pundits did in the few minutes between the room of awkwardness shenanigans and the post podium link. In any case, given C4 as an example, Jones is there to be the jester, Webber and Coulthard are both ex-Red Bull drivers and I’m sure Eddie has some historical connection too. Everybody knows that Raikkonen is yesterday’s man and Verstappen is the golden boy. Verstappen has a truly huge anf growing fanbase. These pundits are also painfully aware that such penalties are unpopular with the viewing public so they have to frame these decisions with scepticism. Enforcement (or not) of track limits is a divisive topic anyway.

In short, it isn’t black and white, and we are not obliged to agree with Lauda, the stewards or anybody else for our opinions to be aired and discussed.

Where is Eddie Jordan's horse in the race? He always offers an alternative and contrary (often for the sake of it) opinion to his C4 counterparts, yet he also agreed with their assessments - i.e. he exceeded track limits, but prior agreements and lack of continuity soured the decision.