2018 F1 Tyres

[p1stonhead]

Going to need a spotter's guide just for tyres next year!

This is ridiculous - 9 tyres inc intermediates and wets.

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

Going to need a spotter's guide just for tyres next year!

This is ridiculous - 9 tyres inc intermediates and wets.

What a joke.

[Mr_Thyroid]

Why is this a joke, I don't get it? AFAIK there will still be three adjacent compounds at each race so it really won't be very difficult. It is a bit odd making the superhards orange but otherwise it makes perfect sense.

They were just saying on the radio how there have been too many one stop races and they needed some softer compounds to make for more exciting races. Although I am quite happy for the racing to happen on track rather than the pits so that logic doesn't quite work for me.

What colour will the wet tyres be? - presumably inters are still green but hards are now blue so what are full wets.

[FurballS2000]

I can't see a situation where some people are running the hard compound and others are on full wet so doubt it would cause much confusion...

[Turbojuice]

Mr_Thyroid said:

Why is this a joke, I don't get it? AFAIK there will still be three adjacent compounds at each race so it really won't be very difficult. It is a bit odd making the superhards orange but otherwise it makes perfect sense.

They were just saying on the radio how there have been too many one stop races and they needed some softer compounds to make for more exciting races. Although I am quite happy for the racing to happen on track rather than the pits so that logic doesn't quite work for me.

What colour will the wet tyres be? - presumably inters are still green but hards are now blue so what are full wets.

Yes making softer compounds makes perfect sense, so why have they made a superhard as well? The 2018 superhard will be equivalent to the 2017 hard tyre, which has not been touched this season. So next season that will not get touched either and it will just be wasted effort from Pirelli.

Don't understand why they haven't just kept it simple. Just make the tyres 1 "step" softer and retain the choice of Hard, Medium, Soft, Super and Ultra tyres. Could even make them 2 "steps" softer and make the 2018 hards equivalent to 2017 softs since the softs seemed to last an absolute age.

[anonymous-user]

Tyres should be

Hard- Half the race
Soft- 20 Laps or so
Qualifying- 4 laps
Wet
Inters

This is all you need.

[carl_w]

I like Tiff's idea of having the three compounds available at each race called "Hard", "Medium" and "Soft" regardless of which 3 of the 9 compounds are chosen. Could even keep the 9 colours for the more techie fans.

[rsbmw]

I would prefer it if they separated the compounds they used each weekend such that there was a much bigger delta between them.

[anonymous-user]

Wouldn't be surprised if this wide range of colours is more about promoting their 'Colour Edition' range than about being necessary or even worthwhile.

Isola seems to think this wide range of compounds is needed because of the wide range of circuits. He didn't seem to understand that they could just have compound variations for 'soft', 'medium' and 'hard' to solve that issue without confusing most of the viewers.

[thegreenhell]

carl_w said:

I like Tiff's idea of having the three compounds available at each race called "Hard", "Medium" and "Soft" regardless of which 3 of the 9 compounds are chosen. Could even keep the 9 colours for the more techie fans.

This. Or even just have three compounds for the whole season, with enough of a spread in the compounds that there is always one that is suitable for any track. Surely it would be better for the racing if there was a wider spread in the relative performance of the available tyres, forcing drivers to sometimes use tyres that are far from optimal for the conditions. Having so many compounds means they're always going to be on something close to the ideal.

Instead, what we'll have is a race where the hypersoft is in use and the commentator will have to say that someone has switched to the hardest tyre available, which is the supersoft. And why the hell isn't the medium compound in the middle of the range? Aaargh!

[768]

I'm surprised there isn't an extreme soft. Obviously still room to expand the range.

I wish they'd give up naming them and just number them at least.

[cuprabob]

REALIST123 said:

Wouldn't be surprised if this wide range of colours is more about promoting their 'Colour Edition' range than about being necessary or even worthwhile.

I wonder if anyone has actually bought a set of "Colour Edition" Pirelli's as the premium over normal tyres was eye-watering when I last seen a price.

[iandc]

cuprabob said:

I wonder if anyone has actually bought a set of "Colour Edition" Pirelli's as the premium over normal tyres was eye-watering when I last seen a price.

Plus if you buy the purple or pink versions they only last 5 miles or so!!

[Angpozzuto]

I think they should keep the 3 softest compounds and ditch the rest as even the current super softs do last a good 20 odd laps and on the circuits with higher levels of tyre degradation it'll make the strategies much more interesting

[Jinba Ittai]

carl_w said:

I like Tiff's idea of having the three compounds available at each race called "Hard", "Medium" and "Soft" regardless of which 3 of the 9 compounds are chosen. Could even keep the 9 colours for the more techie fans.

This 100%. The vast majority of people don't care or understand about the step differences between the tyres. For the race weekend, name them Hard, Medium, Soft, regardless of compound.

[geeks]

rsbmw said:

I would prefer it if they separated the compounds they used each weekend such that there was a much bigger delta between them.

Wouldnt work because of the wear rate, look at this weekend, 30 odd laps on a supersoft with no appreciable wear differential between that and the Ultra.

If they had soft and ultra, they would have gone just as far on the ultra (perhaps further) and then bolted on the soft, still a one stop race, and at circuits with higher wear doing that step would then produce more one stop races (of which there are already too many)

Just take the softest compound possible everywhere, unless it will literally only do one lap before being fked!

Pirelli have the data, it is possible to engineer two stop plus races, which is where we get the action in F1!

[llewop]

geeks said:

Just take the softest compound possible everywhere, unless it will literally only do one lap before being fked!

Pirelli have the data, it is possible to engineer two stop plus races, which is where we get the action in F1!

The problem is that Pirelli have been brow-beaten by the 'design tyres that degrade' ....'your tyres are rubbish' debacle. The one year they still had those AND that 3 different tyres could be used made some of the most mixed races in recent years with 3 cars on different tyres vying for win/positions, but now gone way too safe and even the softest tyres can almost last race distance

so yes - as soft/high deg as possible - make them actually have a strategy that is more than under/over cut!

[London424]

llewop said:

geeks said:

Just take the softest compound possible everywhere, unless it will literally only do one lap before being fked!

Pirelli have the data, it is possible to engineer two stop plus races, which is where we get the action in F1!

The problem is that Pirelli have been brow-beaten by the 'design tyres that degrade' ....'your tyres are rubbish' debacle. The one year they still had those AND that 3 different tyres could be used made some of the most mixed races in recent years with 3 cars on different tyres vying for win/positions, but now gone way too safe and even the softest tyres can almost last race distance

so yes - as soft/high deg as possible - make them actually have a strategy that is more than under/over cut!

The issue is the teams know too much. Their computers will have run the optimum approach to the nth degree so that everyone will align to the same number of stops and the same compounds unless they're out of position, have an incident, or the weather changes.

[thegreenhell]

Maybe the teams should just be given three compounds at random for each race without being told what they are (all teams the same three compounds obviously). Then they have to use FP to figure out what works without reference to previous tyre compound data.

[sgtBerbatov]

For the love of God just bring back Bridgestone and/or Goodyear, mandate 4 dry compounds, intermediate and wet tyres, and be done will all of this marketing crap.