F1 back on free to air tv till 2020

F1 back on free to air tv till 2020

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HighwayStar

4,248 posts

144 months

Saturday 30th December 2017
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markcoznottz said:
HighwayStar said:
CoolHands said:
Forgive my ignorance will F1 still be in ch4 next year?
Yes... from 2019, no.
Old news but ludicrous imho. For a sport that relys on casual viewing for its popularity it will be the start of the end.
We have Bernie to thank for that woefully short sighted piece of business.

Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Saturday 30th December 2017
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Vaud said:
UK is a small market though in the scheme of things.
Compared to.......?

CraigyMc

16,387 posts

236 months

Sunday 31st December 2017
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Vaud said:
CraigyMc said:
Vaud said:
CoolHands said:
Then I wouldn’t worry about it until then. By the time the next year rolls around, another deal will have been sorted. My prediction is it will continue to be on terrestrial tv in upcoming years.
Or accessible via F1s own streaming service. You might need a proxy to make it work, but they will have their own service by 2019 IIRC.
With respect, you are both ignoring what "exclusive" means. FOM don't own the rights to broadcast F1 in the UK from 2019+. They sold the rights to Sky.

If there's to be any free-to-air or internet broadcast of F1 races, it'll be Sky selling those rights, not "F1 itself".
With respect you didn't read my post. I didn't say UK, and I said you would need a proxy.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132542/f1-plans-...

They will likely GEO-IP block UK users to respect their deal with SKY, but they will have a service that you could probably watch with some work arounds.
If you want to watch knocked off F1 coverage, why bother with an international stream rather than just using one of the many illicit Sky streams?

This is about the casual viewer anyway. F1 hardcore people will watch it regardless.

MissChief

7,101 posts

168 months

Sunday 31st December 2017
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So would people pay £20pm for F1 on Sky? They have a Sky Sports Mix channel which is free to all Sky subscribers and often shows the F1 when Channel 4 have a live race on. Sure it requires a Sky subscription, but you don't need the basic pack and another £18 for F1, then another £6 for HD?

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Sunday 31st December 2017
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CraigyMc said:
If you want to watch knocked off F1 coverage, why bother with an international stream rather than just using one of the many illicit Sky streams?

This is about the casual viewer anyway. F1 hardcore people will watch it regardless.
True.

I just want a reliable, HQ stream that I can access wherever I am, including when working abroad.

I am happy to pay for it. I just a) dont want to give money to Sky and b) don't want a sky subscription.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

152 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Vaud said:
UK is a small market though in the scheme of things.
Compared to.......?
I would be interested to see how the promoters calculate the value of individual markets.

It may be physically smaller than, say, south east Asia - in terms of head count. But is probably much richer.

On a bang for buck basis- it may only be second to Germany.

But that is ultimately a guess as I haven't a clue how it works!

Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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The other massive weighting factor for the UK is its importance in the whole F1 industry. From a long term planning point of view, taking F1 off mainstream is dumb.

But, who thinks long term these days.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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I wonder what the trends in F1 TV viewing figures are generally. When I was younger, loads of people used to follow it but now I rarely meet people who watch it. My kids and none of their friends seem remotely interested.

This season will be the first ever for me where I’m not going to have access to the races live as I’m cancelling my sky subscription.

I’d happily pay for an F1 subscription that I could use internationally, like fans above, but not as part of a sky package.

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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El stovey said:
I wonder what the trends in F1 TV viewing figures are generally. When I was younger, loads of people used to follow it but now I rarely meet people who watch it. My kids and none of their friends seem remotely interested.

This season will be the first ever for me where I’m not going to have access to the races live as I’m cancelling my sky subscription.

I’d happily pay for an F1 subscription that I could use internationally, like fans above, but not as part of a sky package.
You can still do Now TV race by race. Or watch a hooky stream.

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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Eric Mc said:
But, who thinks long term these days.
Liberty, but they are hamstrung by short-termist Bernie deals.

CraigyMc

16,387 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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Vaud said:
Eric Mc said:
But, who thinks long term these days.
Liberty, but they are hamstrung by short-termist Bernie deals.
Not trying to defend the poison dwarf, but please remember that he was an employee of CVC towards the end and did the deals they wanted as they plumped up F1 for sale.

HighwayStar

4,248 posts

144 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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El stovey said:
I wonder what the trends in F1 TV viewing figures are generally. When I was younger, loads of people used to follow it but now I rarely meet people who watch it. My kids and none of their friends seem remotely interested.

This season will be the first ever for me where I’m not going to have access to the races live as I’m cancelling my sky subscription.

I’d happily pay for an F1 subscription that I could use internationally, like fans above, but not as part of a sky package.
You’ll still have access to 10 or so live races on Ch4 for 2018 season... then you’ll need to make some decisions

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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CraigyMc said:
Not trying to defend the poison dwarf, but please remember that he was an employee of CVC towards the end and did the deals they wanted as they plumped up F1 for sale.
True.

Krikkit

26,515 posts

181 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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MissChief said:
So would people pay £20pm for F1 on Sky? They have a Sky Sports Mix channel which is free to all Sky subscribers and often shows the F1 when Channel 4 have a live race on. Sure it requires a Sky subscription, but you don't need the basic pack and another £18 for F1, then another £6 for HD?
So £240 a year for *maybe* 50% of the races? Too steep.

A streaming service would be the way to go, it's criminal that CVC didn't consider it in the first place really, looking for the short-term buck from Sky to tie the rights down.

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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Krikkit said:
So £240 a year for *maybe* 50% of the races? Too steep.

A streaming service would be the way to go, it's criminal that CVC didn't consider it in the first place really, looking for the short-term buck from Sky to tie the rights down.
I was reminded the other day that they did invest heavily in a high quality digital service that went to every track - over £100m in 1996. Ahead of its time, but they got very badly burned.

CraigyMc

16,387 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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Vaud said:
Krikkit said:
So £240 a year for *maybe* 50% of the races? Too steep.

A streaming service would be the way to go, it's criminal that CVC didn't consider it in the first place really, looking for the short-term buck from Sky to tie the rights down.
I was reminded the other day that they did invest heavily in a high quality digital service that went to every track - over £100m in 1996. Ahead of its time, but they got very badly burned.
re: initial foray into digital - was that reminder from the Missed Apex podcast perchance? smile

In terms of streaming in the UK, there is the option of NowTV passes, which are essentially Sky F1 coverage without a subscription and only available via streaming, but it doesn't get around the "you need to pay Sky for coverage" issue.

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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It was. I only discovered them this year and I’m very impressed. Much better fit for Joe Saward as well.

CraigyMc

16,387 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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Vaud said:
It was. I only discovered them this year and I’m very impressed. Much better fit for Joe Saward as well.
Me too, although I knew some of the contributors before I found the podcast. Come karting with us! smile

sgtBerbatov

2,597 posts

81 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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MissChief said:
So would people pay £20pm for F1 on Sky? They have a Sky Sports Mix channel which is free to all Sky subscribers and often shows the F1 when Channel 4 have a live race on. Sure it requires a Sky subscription, but you don't need the basic pack and another £18 for F1, then another £6 for HD?
Absolutely not. I've got a BT service and a friend has Sky a few houses down the road. His internet is crap even though he's on the top subscription, TV's expensive compared to what I pay as well. I know he's not the only one either.

So, really, the question is would people be willing to ditch their provider to watch F1 on Sky? My answer is no.

Vaud

50,426 posts

155 months

Tuesday 2nd January 2018
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CraigyMc said:
Me too, although I knew some of the contributors before I found the podcast. Come karting with us! smile
I’m busy that week or would have been tempted.