ex-Senna McLaren coming up for auction
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Senna's last Monaco GP-winning McLaren is coming up for auction in May. This surely has the potential to set some new records for an F1 car.
http://www.bonhams.com/press_release/25527/
http://www.bonhams.com/press_release/25527/
There is no mention of the identity of the seller but I was under the impression that McLaren had held on to all of Senna's cars. Therefore, you have to assume that McLaren are the seller. Figuratively, selling the family silver.
The highest price ever paid for an F1 car was $7.5m for the F2001 Michael Schumacher drove to his final Monaco win.
I would expect this to go for more.
The highest price ever paid for an F1 car was $7.5m for the F2001 Michael Schumacher drove to his final Monaco win.
I would expect this to go for more.
thegreenhell said:
Senna's last Monaco GP-winning McLaren is coming up for auction in May. This surely has the potential to set some new records for an F1 car.
http://www.bonhams.com/press_release/25527/
If only I had the money. http://www.bonhams.com/press_release/25527/
This obviously makes it very special
Ayrton drove this actual car - McLaren-Ford MP4/8 chassis number '6' - in no fewer than eight of the 1993 season's Formula 1 World Championship-qualifying Grand Prix races. In his debut with the brand new car at Barcelona's Spanish Grand Prix he immediately finished 2nd overall, headed only by Alain Prost's Williams-Renault.
markcoznottz said:
The start of some pig ugly macca's in my opinion, the 95-96 being a plow point. The 89 and 90 cars were demure, as was thier nemesis, the same year ferraris.
I disagree, the MP4/8 is a very pretty and compact car (and to the same extent the following MP4/9 is as well), I once saw one at the Donnington museum 10+ years ago (I can't remember if it was a genuine '93 Senna car) and it's simply a beautiful thing to look at, especially when compared to the contemporary Williams and Benetton cars. Visually there is a lot of MP4/7 architecture present, the most notable changes are to the raised nose / tub profile (I imagine for the active suspension & aerodynamic efficiency of air flow toward the tea-tray splitter) and the coke bottle sculpting of the rear body work. But I agree that the MP4/10 was pig-ugly and showed how far McLaren were behind the curve on aero development and why they need Newey to dig them out of a hole.
Agreed - MP4 8 & 9 are compact and pleasingly simple. But I also like the MP4/10 for the drama of the thing.
Mostly its because it's what I grew up with.
The MP4/5 & 6 are handsome enough - never got the appeal of the contemporary Ferrari's though. But I love the 412/T2 of '95.
Horses for courses innit
Mostly its because it's what I grew up with.
The MP4/5 & 6 are handsome enough - never got the appeal of the contemporary Ferrari's though. But I love the 412/T2 of '95.
Horses for courses innit
Vocal Minority said:
Agreed - MP4 8 & 9 are compact and pleasingly simple. But I also like the MP4/10 for the drama of the thing.
Mostly its because it's what I grew up with.
The MP4/5 & 6 are handsome enough - never got the appeal of the contemporary Ferrari's though. But I love the 412/T2 of '95.
Horses for courses innit
89 -90. Short tubs, 18 inch wide goodyears out back, simple aero. 1993 onwards was the end of the sport for me, when Mosely narrowed the rear tyres. I mean why would you choose to make the cars less dramatic looking? Stupid inbred Mostly its because it's what I grew up with.
The MP4/5 & 6 are handsome enough - never got the appeal of the contemporary Ferrari's though. But I love the 412/T2 of '95.
Horses for courses innit
. ralphrj said:
There is no mention of the identity of the seller but I was under the impression that McLaren had held on to all of Senna's cars. Therefore, you have to assume that McLaren are the seller. Figuratively, selling the family silver.
The highest price ever paid for an F1 car was $7.5m for the F2001 Michael Schumacher drove to his final Monaco win.
I would expect this to go for more.
It's Zak Browns.The highest price ever paid for an F1 car was $7.5m for the F2001 Michael Schumacher drove to his final Monaco win.
I would expect this to go for more.
He bought it from McLaren and I suspect it's part of the reason relationship wise that he's the Executive Director of them now.
Edited by F1GTRUeno on Thursday 25th January 02:47
F1GTRUeno said:
It's Zak Browns.
He bought it from McLaren and I suspect it's part of the reason relationship wise that he's the Executive Director of them now.
Zak Brown bought an ex-Hakkinen MP4/16.He bought it from McLaren and I suspect it's part of the reason relationship wise that he's the Executive Director of them now.
That doesn't exclude the possibility that he also owns an MP4/8 but I would have thought he might have mentioned it. He mentioned owning the MP4/16 in an interview on McLaren's website when he joined them. He also has a website listing all his classic racing cars but there is no mention of an MP4/8 despite the fact that it would be worth more than the rest of his collection put together.
ralphrj said:
Zak Brown bought an ex-Hakkinen MP4/16.
That doesn't exclude the possibility that he also owns an MP4/8 but I would have thought he might have mentioned it. He mentioned owning the MP4/16 in an interview on McLaren's website when he joined them. He also has a website listing all his classic racing cars but there is no mention of an MP4/8 despite the fact that it would be worth more than the rest of his collection put together.
In that case I've got my wires crossed on the exact car then.That doesn't exclude the possibility that he also owns an MP4/8 but I would have thought he might have mentioned it. He mentioned owning the MP4/16 in an interview on McLaren's website when he joined them. He also has a website listing all his classic racing cars but there is no mention of an MP4/8 despite the fact that it would be worth more than the rest of his collection put together.
That said, I know that this is a privately owned car and not McLaren's own. It was demonstrated at GFOS in 2010 and entered by it's owner, I suspect it hasn't been sold until now.
The fact it ran in Marlboro livery as opposed to McLaren livery is a nod to the fact it's privately owned.
The Hypno-Toad said:
I think that quite a few MP4s were sold by McLaren (or should that be Ron? 
) to an American businessman/collector a few years ago and I believe this one of those cars.
Should fetch a bloody fortune.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/chassis/624/McLaren-MP4-8-Ford-MP4-8A-6.html ) to an American businessman/collector a few years ago and I believe this one of those cars. Should fetch a bloody fortune.
Hinted at here.
I think you are correct about it being privately owned. I just don't think that the owner is Zak Brown.
These days we know a little bit more about McLaren's heritage assets as since 2011 (and backdated to 2007) they have disclosed them separately from Motor Vehicles (presumably transporters, trucks etc) in their Statutory Accounts.
For example, we know that between 1st January 2007 and 31st December 2016 they only sold one car (the MP4/16 to Zak Brown).
The sale of this car (the MP4/8) must have taken place some time before 31st December 2006.
These days we know a little bit more about McLaren's heritage assets as since 2011 (and backdated to 2007) they have disclosed them separately from Motor Vehicles (presumably transporters, trucks etc) in their Statutory Accounts.
For example, we know that between 1st January 2007 and 31st December 2016 they only sold one car (the MP4/16 to Zak Brown).
The sale of this car (the MP4/8) must have taken place some time before 31st December 2006.
Saw one yesterday.
Really is a beautifully neat little thing.
Donington have 2011 and 2013 McLarens and a 2015 Force India to compare to modern varieties and they really are long, narrow monstrosities in comparison.
That said you do appreciate the aero developments and carbon work up close.
F1GTRUeno said:
Saw one yesterday.
Really is a beautifully neat little thing.
Donington have 2011 and 2013 McLarens and a 2015 Force India to compare to modern varieties and they really are long, narrow monstrosities in comparison.
That said you do appreciate the aero developments and carbon work up close.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
F1GTRUeno said:
Saw one yesterday.
Really is a beautifully neat little thing.
Donington have 2011 and 2013 McLarens and a 2015 Force India to compare to modern varieties and they really are long, narrow monstrosities in comparison.
That said you do appreciate the aero developments and carbon work up close.
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