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Mr Tidy said:
StevieBee said:
Growing up on the London/Essex borders in the 80s, it was often said that if your car got nicked to head to Arena Essex on a Sunday to see how it got on in the racing.
Great post - Arena Essex was the 1st place I ever actually raced, in the late 80s I think! Sadly I've heard that it is likely to be closing soon - like the original Aldershot and Wimbledon.
British GP at Silverstone this weekend, so...
British GP of 1967... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJztPqUXtQ
British GP of 1979... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VkkAqFB78M
Onboard with Jabouille in 1979... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyhm8iWIKKc
Onboard with Mansell at the revised 1992 circuit layout... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8W3s2e2Jbw
Senna versus Prost in 1993... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL20sWuccUk
British GP of 1967... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJztPqUXtQ
British GP of 1979... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VkkAqFB78M
Onboard with Jabouille in 1979... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyhm8iWIKKc
Onboard with Mansell at the revised 1992 circuit layout... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8W3s2e2Jbw
Senna versus Prost in 1993... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL20sWuccUk
Thought of this thread when I found this article on Twitter yesterday:
http://www.minardi.it/international/news/the-minar...
Lamborghini have restored a Minardi Lamborghini M191B, which had been sat in their museum for 26 years.
Article has a nice video of it in action too... that V12 sound! Unnerving that these cars were competing over a quarter of a century ago (makes me feel old) - but isn't that just how a racing car should sound? It's like you'd imagine the noise a snarling angry dragon would make
http://www.minardi.it/international/news/the-minar...
Lamborghini have restored a Minardi Lamborghini M191B, which had been sat in their museum for 26 years.
Article has a nice video of it in action too... that V12 sound! Unnerving that these cars were competing over a quarter of a century ago (makes me feel old) - but isn't that just how a racing car should sound? It's like you'd imagine the noise a snarling angry dragon would make
Hi all, a pistonhead newbie here. Reading an Adrian Newey book a few months back - in it he refers to standing at the last corner at Estoril in 1988 watching his car (Leyton House) in qualifying coming bolting through it with Prost in the Mclaren following slowly behind. Turns out Prost was scared at the "suicidial" speed that the Leyton house was going through that final corner ahead of him. He therefore held back in case he ploughed into a smashed up Leyton house on the corner exit onto the pits straight.
I actually found a video where you can see the unreal speed the Leyton house has as it closes up on Senna through that final corner. And this is a non turbo car with much less power than the Mclaren, running less wing than the conquering Mclaren to gain speed on the straights. See 0 - 8 seconds of the video below. Impressive stuff...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYY7g_8YBk
I actually found a video where you can see the unreal speed the Leyton house has as it closes up on Senna through that final corner. And this is a non turbo car with much less power than the Mclaren, running less wing than the conquering Mclaren to gain speed on the straights. See 0 - 8 seconds of the video below. Impressive stuff...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYY7g_8YBk
Edited by Andrewf20 on Saturday 14th July 01:54
ELUSIVEJIM said:
The greatest ever.ELUSIVEJIM said:
Nice montage but I wish people would stop referring to the race at Hockenheim as being "insignificant". They are viewing the world through modern perceptions of F1 being some sort of "God on high" formula where all other classes of racing are lowly and not worthy. The motor racing world was very different in 1968.In 1968, many F1 drivers also competed in other series, including F2. It was actually an important race in the F2 calendar and many other top F1 drivers were there. If Clark had not been at Hockenheim that day, he would have been competing instead in another "insignificant" non F1 race at Brands Hatch.
Eric Mc said:
Nice montage but I wish people would stop referring to the race at Hockenheim as being "insignificant". They are viewing the world through modern perceptions of F1 being some sort of "God on high" formula where all other classes of racing are lowly and not worthy. The motor racing world was very different in 1968.
In 1968, many F1 drivers also competed in other series, including F2. It was actually an important race in the F2 calendar and many other top F1 drivers were there.? If Clark had not been at Hockenheim that day, he would have been competing instead in another "insignificant" non F1 race at Brands Hatch.
BOAC 1000 was part of the pinnacle of endurance racing and would have held more significance to F2 which was meant to be a feeder series to F2 and anyway F1 drivers were ineligible for points in the F2 championship. In 1968, many F1 drivers also competed in other series, including F2. It was actually an important race in the F2 calendar and many other top F1 drivers were there.? If Clark had not been at Hockenheim that day, he would have been competing instead in another "insignificant" non F1 race at Brands Hatch.
Clark had a contract with Firestone which is why he raced in Hockenheim.
Remuneration and prize money wasn't that great in F1. JYS wouldn't have lived a lavish lifestyle nor Lotus and McLaren wanted to become more than a race team based on doing F1 alone compared to McLaren in the Ron Dennis era.
entropy said:
Eric Mc said:
Nice montage but I wish people would stop referring to the race at Hockenheim as being "insignificant". They are viewing the world through modern perceptions of F1 being some sort of "God on high" formula where all other classes of racing are lowly and not worthy. The motor racing world was very different in 1968.
In 1968, many F1 drivers also competed in other series, including F2. It was actually an important race in the F2 calendar and many other top F1 drivers were there.? If Clark had not been at Hockenheim that day, he would have been competing instead in another "insignificant" non F1 race at Brands Hatch.
BOAC 1000 was part of the pinnacle of endurance racing and would have held more significance to F2 which was meant to be a feeder series to F2 and anyway F1 drivers were ineligible for points in the F2 championship. In 1968, many F1 drivers also competed in other series, including F2. It was actually an important race in the F2 calendar and many other top F1 drivers were there.? If Clark had not been at Hockenheim that day, he would have been competing instead in another "insignificant" non F1 race at Brands Hatch.
Clark had a contract with Firestone which is why he raced in Hockenheim.
Remuneration and prize money wasn't that great in F1. JYS wouldn't have lived a lavish lifestyle nor Lotus and McLaren wanted to become more than a race team based on doing F1 alone compared to McLaren in the Ron Dennis era.
The BOAC 1000 thing - as well as Clark's obligations to his sponsors and to Chapman, the offer of a drive had been a bit vague and Clark got fed up with the uncertainty and committed himself to going to Hockenheim.
I wonder how he would have got on with the Ford P68? By all accounts it was a pig of a car; it ended Chris Irwin's career, nearly killing him, and several top drivers refused to drive it.
At 15 . I saw the F3 L (as I know it ) at the Oulton Park TT in '68; next to the heavy metal GT 40s and T70s it was like a spaceship. It was very quick and didn't look unstable. ISTR it retired early. . I was delighted to see one again at the Silverstone Classic last year , the car had aged less than I had .
If it had worked better it still wouldn't have been able to hold a candle to what was about to be unleashed from Ferrari and Porsche - the 512 and 917 .
And don't get me started on the hype around XJ13...
If it had worked better it still wouldn't have been able to hold a candle to what was about to be unleashed from Ferrari and Porsche - the 512 and 917 .
And don't get me started on the hype around XJ13...
generationx said:
I'm not sure they did anything at all when Enzo went who was clearly a more significant loss to the team, and the example above ^^^was for ~3,000 people... They should honour his memory by winning.
Well they somehow managed to get a 1-2 in the Italian GP just a week after Enzo's passing. That was a fitting tribute, and not at all suspicious in what would otherwise have been a perfect season for McLaren...thegreenhell said:
Well they somehow managed to get a 1-2 in the Italian GP just a week after Enzo's passing. That was a fitting tribute, and not at all suspicious in what would otherwise have been a perfect season for McLaren...
Yes great tribute but it was somewhat helped by Senna bumping into Schlesser's Williams, otherwise it would have been another McLaren win.There is a number of these which will remind you of past F1 incidents
WTF Moments in Formula One part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVGt0lYfLQ
WTF Moments in Formula One part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVGt0lYfLQ
On the 5th of August 2018 Colin McRae would have been 50 years old.
Here is a clip of him on maximum attack
Was lucky enough to witness his driving style and commitment and he really was unbelievable.
Could and should have been a multi World Champion but just didn't know when to back off.
R.I.P Colin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sAbQ5wRr0o
Here is a clip of him on maximum attack
Was lucky enough to witness his driving style and commitment and he really was unbelievable.
Could and should have been a multi World Champion but just didn't know when to back off.
R.I.P Colin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sAbQ5wRr0o
ELUSIVEJIM said:
On the 5th of August 2018 Colin McRae would have been 50 years old.
Here is a clip of him on maximum attack
Was lucky enough to witness his driving style and commitment and he really was unbelievable.
Could and should have been a multi World Champion but just didn't know when to back off.
R.I.P Colin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sAbQ5wRr0o
I normally insist that one judges the art , and not the artist. But brilliant though McRae was in a rally car his legacy , for me anyway , is tarnished by the recklessness which killed him and three others , including a five and six year old. The McRae ''If in doubt , flat out' motto sported by many fans' cars rings more than a little hollow with me . Here is a clip of him on maximum attack
Was lucky enough to witness his driving style and commitment and he really was unbelievable.
Could and should have been a multi World Champion but just didn't know when to back off.
R.I.P Colin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sAbQ5wRr0o
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