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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Sk00p said:
Just been playing forza on the Xbox work my lad, race at hockenheim, the noddy short one. I do miss watching them head off into the forest, proper scary racing when it rained.
I miss the real imola too, ballsy circuit
You can understand why F1 took drastic action after Imola 94 but it went too far.I miss the real imola too, ballsy circuit
Cars can never be safe enough "apart from fitting the halo" but the circuits have been ruined.
Imola circuit was basically the Tamburello curve and when that changed it ruined the track.
Surely even a tyre wall could have prevented the track being ruined.
As you have stated Hockenheim too was another lost.
Sad when you see shots of it in 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__XMJ4Y3Uhk
Some old track side footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V416wKwk8XQ
Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Friday 23 March 20:01
Haven't watched for quite a few years now.
Leithen said:
I remember being grudgingly impressed by Spain 94.
Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 24th March 18:59
Turkey GP 2010
Vettel vs Webber crash.
After watching this again I can't believe how obvious it was that Vettel was at fault yet Horner says it's a racing incident.
Vettel then states he was the leader.
Unbelievable but good to see again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkXYROv1RPs
Vettel vs Webber crash.
After watching this again I can't believe how obvious it was that Vettel was at fault yet Horner says it's a racing incident.
Vettel then states he was the leader.
Unbelievable but good to see again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkXYROv1RPs
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 26th March 21:15
2003 Spanish GP - Alonso keeping pace with Schumi. I could tell the kid was special and win WDCs in years to come.
2007 Japanese GP & 2008 British GP - probably the best wet race wins I ever saw. It was like Moses parting the Red Sea - that was how awed I was. Very rarely do you have wet race like at Fuji that day as we'd be waiting for the SC to form a dry line. Lewis (inter tyres) made a mockery of his rivals who were also on inters at Silverstone as they all span off numerous times even though Lewis only did go off at Abbey chicane. Donny '93 would be up there but I went to play in the garden for a bit!
2007 Japanese GP & 2008 British GP - probably the best wet race wins I ever saw. It was like Moses parting the Red Sea - that was how awed I was. Very rarely do you have wet race like at Fuji that day as we'd be waiting for the SC to form a dry line. Lewis (inter tyres) made a mockery of his rivals who were also on inters at Silverstone as they all span off numerous times even though Lewis only did go off at Abbey chicane. Donny '93 would be up there but I went to play in the garden for a bit!
Leithen said:
Spain 96 - Schumi had a wet set up, most of the others had compromising set ups.https://youtu.be/c0Z7RQO2xyQ
Takuma Sato on a charge in a Super Aguri overtaking Ralf Schumacher in a Williams and Alonso in a Mclaren, Canada 2007.
Tyres aside Sato could be rapid on a good day, just mistake prone sadly.
Takuma Sato on a charge in a Super Aguri overtaking Ralf Schumacher in a Williams and Alonso in a Mclaren, Canada 2007.
Tyres aside Sato could be rapid on a good day, just mistake prone sadly.
DanielSan said:
https://youtu.be/c0Z7RQO2xyQ
Takuma Sato on a charge in a Super Aguri overtaking Ralf Schumacher in a Williams and Alonso in a Mclaren, Canada 2007.
Tyres aside Sato could be rapid on a good day, just mistake prone sadly.
Underrated driver IMO.Takuma Sato on a charge in a Super Aguri overtaking Ralf Schumacher in a Williams and Alonso in a Mclaren, Canada 2007.
Tyres aside Sato could be rapid on a good day, just mistake prone sadly.
Nice driving.
The guy has no fear when it comes to Indy racing as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr1DXYKX8ZU
How can anyone not love the enthusiasm of that commentary?
How can anyone not love the enthusiasm of that commentary?
Edited by whatxd on Thursday 29th March 15:53
whatxd said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr1DXYKX8ZU
How can anyone not love the enthusiasm of that commentary?
That brings to mind the pit lane mishap in China 2007 that prevented Hamilton becoming champion in his debut season. If I remember correctly, McLaren kept him out until he had no grip left, and on his way into the pits he just understeered into the gravel. And that’s where his race ended. How can anyone not love the enthusiasm of that commentary?
Edited by whatxd on Thursday 29th March 15:53
SpudLink said:
That brings to mind the pit lane mishap in China 2007 that prevented Hamilton becoming champion in his debut season. If I remember correctly, McLaren kept him out until he had no grip left, and on his way into the pits he just understeered into the gravel. And that’s where his race ended.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Thanks for this. Had forgotten the brilliance of Clive James.ELUSIVEJIM said:
I've watched this video countless times over the years, for me it demonstrates the awesome power and immense sound of that era, it hasn't been the same since. Because only one car is passing at a time you get the purity. I was there in person and you never forget the sound vibrating the ground beneath your feet.Now this is one where I blamed Schumacher for trying a dirty more. He was thrown out but after seeing it again I am not 100% sure if he was as bad as I remembered.
Here is the footage with Villeneuve's thoughts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt-3KT6ktHU
Yes Schumacher turned into him but it was a huge dive by Villeneuve.
Had Schumacher just braked hard I think Villeneuve would have gone straight on into the gravel.
Thoughts??
Great to see Liberty allowing these clips to be shown on the F1 Channel
Here is the footage with Villeneuve's thoughts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt-3KT6ktHU
Yes Schumacher turned into him but it was a huge dive by Villeneuve.
Had Schumacher just braked hard I think Villeneuve would have gone straight on into the gravel.
Thoughts??
Great to see Liberty allowing these clips to be shown on the F1 Channel
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 1st April 22:19
Clay Regazzoni at the British GP 1979, first Williams win.
The Williams victories in 1980 and '81 with Alan Jones & Carlos Reutemann and in the same era, hearing the DFVs, Alfa V12s, Matra V12s etc.
The ground-effect cars, so simple and sweet looking without ridiculous aero stuff thrown on.
Mansell's first win at Brands Hatch 1985 (European GP)
Ayton Senna's early races with the Toleman-Hart.
Witnessing the incredible sound of the turbo cars of the early/mid eighties.
The Williams victories in 1980 and '81 with Alan Jones & Carlos Reutemann and in the same era, hearing the DFVs, Alfa V12s, Matra V12s etc.
The ground-effect cars, so simple and sweet looking without ridiculous aero stuff thrown on.
Mansell's first win at Brands Hatch 1985 (European GP)
Ayton Senna's early races with the Toleman-Hart.
Witnessing the incredible sound of the turbo cars of the early/mid eighties.
cylinderfin said:
Clay Regazzoni at the British GP 1979, first Williams win.
The Williams victories in 1980 and '81 with Alan Jones & Carlos Reutemann and in the same era, hearing the DFVs, Alfa V12s, Matra V12s etc.
The ground-effect cars, so simple and sweet looking without ridiculous aero stuff thrown on.
Mansell's first win at Brands Hatch 1985 (European GP)
Ayton Senna's early races with the Toleman-Hart.
Witnessing the incredible sound of the turbo cars of the early/mid eighties.
Nice memoriesThe Williams victories in 1980 and '81 with Alan Jones & Carlos Reutemann and in the same era, hearing the DFVs, Alfa V12s, Matra V12s etc.
The ground-effect cars, so simple and sweet looking without ridiculous aero stuff thrown on.
Mansell's first win at Brands Hatch 1985 (European GP)
Ayton Senna's early races with the Toleman-Hart.
Witnessing the incredible sound of the turbo cars of the early/mid eighties.
The turbo cars must have been amazing to hear.
Mansell first win 1985 Brand's Hatch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yjz7uPsKt8
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 1st April 22:23
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If anyone has FaceSpace and is interested in watching the old races, between myself and another member of this group we've done 1989-2000. I believe the other member is gonna do onwards until 2015 at least so there's loads and loads of races to see.
Personally my first year of properly watching it was 1994. Vaguely remember watching bits of 1993 and maybe very slightly bits of 1992 but I was born in 1990 so maybe I'm just collating memories of watching those races since.
1994 was an insane year on a whole bunch of levels but I can remember crying when Ayrton died despite barely knowing who he was. BBC had a tribute show for him the night after the race at Imola once he'd been pronounced dead. My mum had taped it I think so I watched it at a later time. First viewing of it I burst into tears and my mum turned it off. I tried watching it again and cried again because it's just so sad. Pretty sure they either re-aired it just before Monaco on race day or at some point during that weekend. I vividly remember instantly becoming a Damon fan and was sad when he went out on the first lap at Monaco. Can remember being elated when Schumacher got stuck in 5th gear in Spain and Damon won and watched every race after that until waking up very early to watch Adelaide in 1994 and being absolutely distraught when Michael crashed into him. That year took its toll on F1 in so many ways but I love the cars, liveries, sponsors and sounds so much that I'm torn between the fatalities and sheer despair of that year and of it being my first season and thus the one I love the most.
Other memories include Damon crashing into Michael twice in 1995.
Throwing away races at Silverstone and Monza in 1996. Murray having a lump in his throat getting emotional when he won the title finally.
Being miserable in 1997 for the first race when he could barely qualify the Arrows and then broke down before the start. Being ecstatic when he nearly won at Hungary.
Watching Belgium 1998 repeatedly for the sheer magic and mayhem of the entire race.
Hating McLaren with a passion for 1998/99 which somehow led me to be a Schumi fan despite being a Damon fan beforehand and Michael being the enemy.
Rooting for Heinz-Harald in 1999 too because he was the underdog and we love a good underdog.
Canada 2011 is probably the only time in modern F1 that I really remember being enthralled and excited. I cheered like a football goal had gone in when Jenson passed Seb on the last lap. What a fking race that was.
Went to the Donington collection as a nine year old and loved it. Went back a few months ago and it's nowhere near as impressive as a) I've grown up and b) they sold off a load of the cars a few years back but still, F1 cars are wonderful things to behold.
If anyone has FaceSpace and is interested in watching the old races, between myself and another member of this group we've done 1989-2000. I believe the other member is gonna do onwards until 2015 at least so there's loads and loads of races to see.
Personally my first year of properly watching it was 1994. Vaguely remember watching bits of 1993 and maybe very slightly bits of 1992 but I was born in 1990 so maybe I'm just collating memories of watching those races since.
1994 was an insane year on a whole bunch of levels but I can remember crying when Ayrton died despite barely knowing who he was. BBC had a tribute show for him the night after the race at Imola once he'd been pronounced dead. My mum had taped it I think so I watched it at a later time. First viewing of it I burst into tears and my mum turned it off. I tried watching it again and cried again because it's just so sad. Pretty sure they either re-aired it just before Monaco on race day or at some point during that weekend. I vividly remember instantly becoming a Damon fan and was sad when he went out on the first lap at Monaco. Can remember being elated when Schumacher got stuck in 5th gear in Spain and Damon won and watched every race after that until waking up very early to watch Adelaide in 1994 and being absolutely distraught when Michael crashed into him. That year took its toll on F1 in so many ways but I love the cars, liveries, sponsors and sounds so much that I'm torn between the fatalities and sheer despair of that year and of it being my first season and thus the one I love the most.
Other memories include Damon crashing into Michael twice in 1995.
Throwing away races at Silverstone and Monza in 1996. Murray having a lump in his throat getting emotional when he won the title finally.
Being miserable in 1997 for the first race when he could barely qualify the Arrows and then broke down before the start. Being ecstatic when he nearly won at Hungary.
Watching Belgium 1998 repeatedly for the sheer magic and mayhem of the entire race.
Hating McLaren with a passion for 1998/99 which somehow led me to be a Schumi fan despite being a Damon fan beforehand and Michael being the enemy.
Rooting for Heinz-Harald in 1999 too because he was the underdog and we love a good underdog.
Canada 2011 is probably the only time in modern F1 that I really remember being enthralled and excited. I cheered like a football goal had gone in when Jenson passed Seb on the last lap. What a fking race that was.
Went to the Donington collection as a nine year old and loved it. Went back a few months ago and it's nowhere near as impressive as a) I've grown up and b) they sold off a load of the cars a few years back but still, F1 cars are wonderful things to behold.
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