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F1GTRUeno said:
Speaking of mid 90's V12 Ferraris.
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/lf19/london/lot...
One from the year before, just as pretty, just as great sounding. Coming up for auction soon. Beautiful.
Stunning. That would be my first Lotto purchasehttps://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/lf19/london/lot...
One from the year before, just as pretty, just as great sounding. Coming up for auction soon. Beautiful.
Read a magazine from 1992 recently (I was a kid back then 
), F1 seemed to be in a pretty bad state back then, with the bad economy hampering all but the top teams. Apparently Senna made 225milj sek a year, corrected to inflation thats 320milj today = about 30m € . More than Team lotus whole race budget according to the article. thats was a big paycheck !
), F1 seemed to be in a pretty bad state back then, with the bad economy hampering all but the top teams. Apparently Senna made 225milj sek a year, corrected to inflation thats 320milj today = about 30m € . More than Team lotus whole race budget according to the article. thats was a big paycheck !
Thanks- but what a terrible piece of work . The patronising tone , the tongue in cheek archness , the fact that most of it is recnet past (we've had Grands Prix for 113 years and F1 (correctly the type of car , not the name of the sport) as we know it for nearly 70 but the majority are from the last 20 years.
I am afraid it typifies Autosport in its current guise and is wrong on one fundamental count --the car that wins the Grand Prix, and its driver, are the best on that day .That's, y'know, why they beat everyone else ...
Other cars may have been faster , other drivers too, but on neither count were they good enough to win. It may be luck , misfortune , poor judgement , and myriad other reasons but if you win - you win , and you beat everyone else . 'deserving ' or not . .
I am afraid it typifies Autosport in its current guise and is wrong on one fundamental count --the car that wins the Grand Prix, and its driver, are the best on that day .That's, y'know, why they beat everyone else ...
Other cars may have been faster , other drivers too, but on neither count were they good enough to win. It may be luck , misfortune , poor judgement , and myriad other reasons but if you win - you win , and you beat everyone else . 'deserving ' or not . .
coppice said:
Thanks- but what a terrible piece of work . The patronising tone , the tongue in cheek archness , the fact that most of it is recnet past (we've had Grands Prix for 113 years and F1 (correctly the type of car , not the name of the sport) as we know it for nearly 70 but the majority are from the last 20 years.
I am afraid it typifies Autosport in its current guise and is wrong on one fundamental count --the car that wins the Grand Prix, and its driver, are the best on that day .That's, y'know, why they beat everyone else ...
Other cars may have been faster , other drivers too, but on neither count were they good enough to win. It may be luck , misfortune , poor judgement , and myriad other reasons but if you win - you win , and you beat everyone else . 'deserving ' or not . .
Quite agree. But it's clickbait at the end of the day, Top 10 videos etc are popular. So for the owners of Autosport they need all the clicks they can get to generate some of that sweet sweet advertising revenue.I am afraid it typifies Autosport in its current guise and is wrong on one fundamental count --the car that wins the Grand Prix, and its driver, are the best on that day .That's, y'know, why they beat everyone else ...
Other cars may have been faster , other drivers too, but on neither count were they good enough to win. It may be luck , misfortune , poor judgement , and myriad other reasons but if you win - you win , and you beat everyone else . 'deserving ' or not . .
I didn't agree with the list either, I've no idea why Gile's Ferrari was on the list yet Maldanado's Williams wasn't even mentioned.
coppice said:
Thanks- but what a terrible piece of work . The patronising tone , the tongue in cheek archness , the fact that most of it is recnet past (we've had Grands Prix for 113 years and F1 (correctly the type of car , not the name of the sport) as we know it for nearly 70 but the majority are from the last 20 years.
I am afraid it typifies Autosport in its current guise and is wrong on one fundamental count --the car that wins the Grand Prix, and its driver, are the best on that day .That's, y'know, why they beat everyone else ...
Other cars may have been faster , other drivers too, but on neither count were they good enough to win. It may be luck , misfortune , poor judgement , and myriad other reasons but if you win - you win , and you beat everyone else . 'deserving ' or not . .
Also, does unreliable == bad? The Lotus 49 is more-or-less a 43 with a Cosworth V8 instead of the BRM H16, and no-one is ragging on that, and the 43 is based on the Indianapolis-winning 38.I am afraid it typifies Autosport in its current guise and is wrong on one fundamental count --the car that wins the Grand Prix, and its driver, are the best on that day .That's, y'know, why they beat everyone else ...
Other cars may have been faster , other drivers too, but on neither count were they good enough to win. It may be luck , misfortune , poor judgement , and myriad other reasons but if you win - you win , and you beat everyone else . 'deserving ' or not . .
The truly terrible cars don't win F1 races. Well maybe - Jackie Stewart says the March 701 was the worst, or at least the worst-handling, car he ever drove in F1, and he'd had two seasons with the BRM H16 as a benchmark.
Sorry, it's Autosport again 
Why Michael Schumacher once tested a GP2 car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGGTchjOV-0
Why Michael Schumacher once tested a GP2 car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGGTchjOV-0
A very interesting insight into the old Spa circuit.
Just imagine the speeds and risks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCsJZhVadqY
Just imagine the speeds and risks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCsJZhVadqY
On BBC iplayer do check out the Sporting Mavericks series - one episode of which features Tom Pryce , the Welsh F1 driver killed at Kyalami in 1977. A very moving portrait of a lost talent (one third of the Lost Generation triumvirate so beautifully written about by David Tremayne ) . I found it almost unsettling , as I had been present at so many of the events shown on film .
There was a lovely exhibition about Tom's life at Denbigh , Tom's home town . last year which OH and I visited , and I contributed a programme from one of Tom's early races at Oulton .
There was a lovely exhibition about Tom's life at Denbigh , Tom's home town . last year which OH and I visited , and I contributed a programme from one of Tom's early races at Oulton .
coppice said:
On BBC iplayer do check out the Sporting Mavericks series - one episode of which features Tom Pryce , the Welsh F1 driver killed at Kyalami in 1977. A very moving portrait of a lost talent (one third of the Lost Generation triumvirate so beautifully written about by David Tremayne ) . I found it almost unsettling , as I had been present at so many of the events shown on film .
There was a lovely exhibition about Tom's life at Denbigh , Tom's home town . last year which OH and I visited , and I contributed a programme from one of Tom's early races at Oulton .
Thank you for letting us know about this great programme.There was a lovely exhibition about Tom's life at Denbigh , Tom's home town . last year which OH and I visited , and I contributed a programme from one of Tom's early races at Oulton .
I've visited his home town and seen the sculpture dedicated to him.
Great footage of F1 from the 70's.
coppice said:
On BBC iplayer do check out the Sporting Mavericks series - one episode of which features Tom Pryce , the Welsh F1 driver killed at Kyalami in 1977. A very moving portrait of a lost talent (one third of the Lost Generation triumvirate so beautifully written about by David Tremayne ) . I found it almost unsettling , as I had been present at so many of the events shown on film .
There was a lovely exhibition about Tom's life at Denbigh , Tom's home town . last year which OH and I visited , and I contributed a programme from one of Tom's early races at Oulton .
Thank you for this There was a lovely exhibition about Tom's life at Denbigh , Tom's home town . last year which OH and I visited , and I contributed a programme from one of Tom's early races at Oulton .
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