Discussion
There's a lot of b
hing and moaning on here about the halo.
You know what, whilst I don't like it, I don't particularly dislike it either. Granted we are only 1 weekend through the season but it hasn't detracted from my enjoyment of the race weekend one little bit.
(and no, I'm not Stevie Wonder!)
hing and moaning on here about the halo.You know what, whilst I don't like it, I don't particularly dislike it either. Granted we are only 1 weekend through the season but it hasn't detracted from my enjoyment of the race weekend one little bit.
(and no, I'm not Stevie Wonder!)
Agreed. I wouldn't go so far to say that it looks good but it's hardly the eyesore I thought it would be.
What I don't like is that it seems to have been designed to stop tyres and other large objects, it would've done nothing for Massa or for Alonso during that tyre debacle a few years back at Silverstone.
From the drivers' perspective you'd think it would be annoying but I haven't heard too many complaints although I don't follow the sport with anywhere near the interest I did in the past. Maybe they have complained and I'm unaware?
What I don't like is that it seems to have been designed to stop tyres and other large objects, it would've done nothing for Massa or for Alonso during that tyre debacle a few years back at Silverstone.
From the drivers' perspective you'd think it would be annoying but I haven't heard too many complaints although I don't follow the sport with anywhere near the interest I did in the past. Maybe they have complained and I'm unaware?
Not a fan tbh.
Looks aside have you seen the drivers getting in and out? They need step ladders!
Wonder if they changed the timings on the jump out test?
Whilst the extra protection is great for a frontal impact its so rare I would not like to be trapped upside down in a gravel trap or on soft ground which is a more regular incident.
I also wonder what the doctors think, working on someone with serious injuries around the halo might be very difficult and possibly getting someone out might also be much harder esp if the halo manages to deform over the top of the driver.
Looks aside have you seen the drivers getting in and out? They need step ladders!
Wonder if they changed the timings on the jump out test?
Whilst the extra protection is great for a frontal impact its so rare I would not like to be trapped upside down in a gravel trap or on soft ground which is a more regular incident.
I also wonder what the doctors think, working on someone with serious injuries around the halo might be very difficult and possibly getting someone out might also be much harder esp if the halo manages to deform over the top of the driver.
The Moose said:
Technically I’ve found it incredible that they’ve been able to put an upright smack bang in front of the driver and not caused a load of accidents (yet!!).
I haven’t found it impacting my ability to view the track from the onboard shots either.
Whilst I still dislike the general aesthetic of them, they are slowly startinmg to become the new normal I guess.I haven’t found it impacting my ability to view the track from the onboard shots either.
In terms of vision - the joy of binocular vision is that our eyes will sort of see round something like that. Put your finger about a foot in front of your nose and if you don't focus your eyes sort of fill int he gaps and its not obtrusive.
With regards to the on board shots - the over head and nose are fine - where people are making a big deal of it, I have only seen them post video's from Alonso's car - so it's one of the cameras on one of the cars. Hardly a massive disaster and rectifiable.
I cant decide. It seems a pretty ineloquent solution in a technology lead sport that is all about fine details.
What are the load cases / impacts that they are particularly designed deal with. I know the timing was influenced by the Jules Bianchi tragedy, but I assume its not that type of impact they are intended to deal with? More a car travelling over another car, an overturned car, or a wheel / car strike to the front (as opposed to a crane at just the wrong height) ?
They certainly hamper the on-board views to an extent and reduce visibility of the driver from outside. But I accept these may be prices we have to pay for the safety benefits.
What are the load cases / impacts that they are particularly designed deal with. I know the timing was influenced by the Jules Bianchi tragedy, but I assume its not that type of impact they are intended to deal with? More a car travelling over another car, an overturned car, or a wheel / car strike to the front (as opposed to a crane at just the wrong height) ?
They certainly hamper the on-board views to an extent and reduce visibility of the driver from outside. But I accept these may be prices we have to pay for the safety benefits.
Melman Giraffe said:
Question.....
Why does the Halo have the support column in the Drivers line of sight? Surly it would be more sensible to have two bars one either side leaving the driver with an unrestricted view
I have wondered that as well. Also the cars mirrors could then be attached to the side struts. Why does the Halo have the support column in the Drivers line of sight? Surly it would be more sensible to have two bars one either side leaving the driver with an unrestricted view
Melman Giraffe said:
Question.....
Why does the Halo have the support column in the Drivers line of sight? Surly it would be more sensible to have two bars one either side leaving the driver with an unrestricted view
Because they spend more time looking for the apex of the corner than straight ahead. Side supports would impair the view of the apex.Why does the Halo have the support column in the Drivers line of sight? Surly it would be more sensible to have two bars one either side leaving the driver with an unrestricted view
I'd forgotten all about it by the end of qualifying. On many of the camera angles you can barely see it anyway, particularly the high angles. I remember thinking how awful the cars looked when they moved to the narrow track, narrow high rear wing regs. I'd forgotten all about that after one race as well. The halo doesn't really block the on board camera view either. None of the track is obscured by the halo with camera positioned above it.
I think they are awful.
As mentioned above, they will restrict a drivers ability to escape from an up-turned car and there has to be a safety compromise should a doctor need to work on an injured driver who's still in a damaged tub.
Regardless, they just look to be an awful compromise to solve a very small problem.
Now if they were to accept that the drivers heads need extra protection, scrap open cockpit cars and change the formula, or let the teams decide how they are to achieve that head protection as part of the overall design of the car. Adding a structural member above the drivers head should enable the whole tub to be re-engineered and maybe allow the aero to be refined, given these cars are supposed to be the panicle of motorsport, such a simplistic add-on just looks totally out of place.
As mentioned above, they will restrict a drivers ability to escape from an up-turned car and there has to be a safety compromise should a doctor need to work on an injured driver who's still in a damaged tub.
Regardless, they just look to be an awful compromise to solve a very small problem.
Now if they were to accept that the drivers heads need extra protection, scrap open cockpit cars and change the formula, or let the teams decide how they are to achieve that head protection as part of the overall design of the car. Adding a structural member above the drivers head should enable the whole tub to be re-engineered and maybe allow the aero to be refined, given these cars are supposed to be the panicle of motorsport, such a simplistic add-on just looks totally out of place.
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