Discussion
ash73 said:
I think it's a bit over-spec'd, but let's wait and see how it performs in a crash.
You'll be waiting a long time. Based on the weekend's evidence, the cars won't be near each other in order to cause a crash. 
All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
PhantomPH said:
You'll be waiting a long time. Based on the weekend's evidence, the cars won't be near each other in order to cause a crash.
All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
Jules Bianchi may have survived if such a device was installed.All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
Blaster72 said:
PhantomPH said:
You'll be waiting a long time. Based on the weekend's evidence, the cars won't be near each other in order to cause a crash.
All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
Jules Bianchi may have survived if such a device was installed.All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
I never, ever want to see any racer hurt, let alone killed - but this halo seems to be the solution to a problem that's not really there.
The sad thing is, I think without it the cars would look really good this year. Low and wide and less overall fuss (details excluded). Nice looking machines.
Blaster72 said:
PhantomPH said:
You'll be waiting a long time. Based on the weekend's evidence, the cars won't be near each other in order to cause a crash.
All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
Jules Bianchi may have survived if such a device was installed.All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
Also, for the safety device, I think it'd be 1998/1999 when they introduce wheel teathers after the poor mashall got killed by one flying from a car. The initial version didn't work. Now, however, it's very rare that a wheel flies off a car completely.
sgtBerbatov said:
Blaster72 said:
PhantomPH said:
You'll be waiting a long time. Based on the weekend's evidence, the cars won't be near each other in order to cause a crash.
All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
Jules Bianchi may have survived if such a device was installed.All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
Also, for the safety device, I think it'd be 1998/1999 when they introduce wheel teathers after the poor mashall got killed by one flying from a car. The initial version didn't work. Now, however, it's very rare that a wheel flies off a car completely.
The Moose said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Blaster72 said:
PhantomPH said:
You'll be waiting a long time. Based on the weekend's evidence, the cars won't be near each other in order to cause a crash.
All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
Jules Bianchi may have survived if such a device was installed.All joking aside - when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
Even Botas blasting into the barrier and obliterating his car, didn't result in wheels etc flying around.
F1 contains risks. It's optional - if you don't accept those risks, then don't drive. I remember Mansell back in the day saying that drivers knew that every time they set foot in a car, it my be their last. Things have moved on soooo much since then, it's great - but the toilet seat is a step too far. it is very much 'safety' for safety's sake.
Anyway...grumpy old man ramble ramble ramble.
Also, for the safety device, I think it'd be 1998/1999 when they introduce wheel teathers after the poor mashall got killed by one flying from a car. The initial version didn't work. Now, however, it's very rare that a wheel flies off a car completely.
I'm not one for superstition or anything, but I can't help but feel that team were cursed. Maria de Villota crashed in semi-similar way, again completely freak accident with no past accident to compare it to.
I think they look awful and think they might actually make things more dangerous in certain scenarios. Take the Massa incident, the spring could have hit the halo and gone down, straight into his chest, instead of glancing the helmet and carrying on past.
No one wants drivers to be injured or worse but if safety is really paramount they may as well just remove the driver and have the cars drive themselves. F1 has got so technology driven these days anyway.
Not that my opinion counts for much. I gave up watching F1 years ago!
No one wants drivers to be injured or worse but if safety is really paramount they may as well just remove the driver and have the cars drive themselves. F1 has got so technology driven these days anyway.
Not that my opinion counts for much. I gave up watching F1 years ago!
colin79666 said:
I think they look awful and think they might actually make things more dangerous in certain scenarios. Take the Massa incident, the spring could have hit the halo and gone down, straight into his chest, instead of glancing the helmet and carrying on past.
think i'd take my chances with a deflected & dissipated body shot, than a direct one to the face or head tbhI was genuinely hoping that all the 'you barely notice them after half an hour' stuff was true.
Sorry, after a whole race weekend I'm still noticing them and still noticing how utterly gopping they look.
The most frustrating thing is that out of all the minor technical changes that have been suggested to improve the racing or the aesthetics, they went ahead with one that makes the cars look markedly worse and solves a problem that no one ever seems to have had, or seems likely to have.
Just put a damn cockpit canopy on them FFS, it'll look so much better and if the Halo is the only way to preserve the open-cockpit heritage of the sport then unfortunately I think it's time to let that heritage go.
Sorry, after a whole race weekend I'm still noticing them and still noticing how utterly gopping they look.
The most frustrating thing is that out of all the minor technical changes that have been suggested to improve the racing or the aesthetics, they went ahead with one that makes the cars look markedly worse and solves a problem that no one ever seems to have had, or seems likely to have.
Just put a damn cockpit canopy on them FFS, it'll look so much better and if the Halo is the only way to preserve the open-cockpit heritage of the sport then unfortunately I think it's time to let that heritage go.
NickofName said:
I was genuinely hoping that all the 'you barely notice them after half an hour' stuff was true.
Sorry, after a whole race weekend I'm still noticing them and still noticing how utterly gopping they look.
The most frustrating thing is that out of all the minor technical changes that have been suggested to improve the racing or the aesthetics, they went ahead with one that makes the cars look markedly worse and solves a problem that no one ever seems to have had, or seems likely to have.
Just put a damn cockpit canopy on them FFS, it'll look so much better and if the Halo is the only way to preserve the open-cockpit heritage of the sport then unfortunately I think it's time to let that heritage go.
I just don't understand why they seemed to sSorry, after a whole race weekend I'm still noticing them and still noticing how utterly gopping they look.
The most frustrating thing is that out of all the minor technical changes that have been suggested to improve the racing or the aesthetics, they went ahead with one that makes the cars look markedly worse and solves a problem that no one ever seems to have had, or seems likely to have.
Just put a damn cockpit canopy on them FFS, it'll look so much better and if the Halo is the only way to preserve the open-cockpit heritage of the sport then unfortunately I think it's time to let that heritage go.
t-can the windscreen idea after Vettel does one lap and says he's 'dizzy'. Yet Jenson complained of feeling 'cross eyed' various other drivers don't like it, the fans don't like it, yet here we are with it on the cars. Smacks of them having already decided they wanted this solution rather than the windscreen for some reason.
I watched the race, no longer take anything like the interest that I once had for the sport though. I’m in the camp that calls the halo pig ugly, the televised overhead view makes the car look almost comical, something akin to a fairground ride imo.
They need another solution, enclosed cockpit worth a second look.
Oh the race itself was, to me, achingly boring.
They need another solution, enclosed cockpit worth a second look.
Oh the race itself was, to me, achingly boring.
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