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Vocal Minority said:
That’s very interesting....I’ve not seen any footage, but I’m fairly satisfied to take the drivers word for it
There doesn't seem to be any good footage - just a rather grainy onboard from a car some way behind. Looking at the marks on the car though, it would certainly have been a close thing without the halo there. An awful lot of paint missing from the right hand side of the halo - it obviously took at least some of the blow that would have no where else to go than the raised cockpit side - at best....
On the basis I’m not inclined to tell the lad that I’d trade his life for prettier racing cars, I’ll back down from my objection
On the basis I’m not inclined to tell the lad that I’d trade his life for prettier racing cars, I’ll back down from my objection
I can't tell from the video if it genuinely saved him from a whack or not, but we've always had incidents like this, in the past we would have gone 'ooof that was nasty' and then moved on. It was always a matter of time before something happened which rightly or wrongly would then be used to justify the halo and cement its position as part of the cars in the future.
I still don't think it's the right solution though, I think that will be a combo of the halo and an aeroscreen. Eventually i think it will be a closed cockpit, as the driver's head is still exposed from top down hits.
I still don't think it's the right solution though, I think that will be a combo of the halo and an aeroscreen. Eventually i think it will be a closed cockpit, as the driver's head is still exposed from top down hits.
Vocal Minority said:
So it's not a good solution for now until a viable aeroscreen is established - becasue it doesn't defend against everything?
The logic is a little like visiting a hooker and not bothering with a condom because it won't help if she decides to try and stab you....
Not sure if that was aimed at me or not, I don't think we should have had it in the first place, but now we do and it's not going away, it may as well be done properly. Like I said, I actually think some kind of closed cockpit is now inevitable. The logic is a little like visiting a hooker and not bothering with a condom because it won't help if she decides to try and stab you....
Reading the thread back...
I was never really against the Halo as such- I grudgingly accepted that if such a device existed and had been studied and developed to the point that the FIA were satisfied that it could only have a neutral or positive impact on safety, it's introduction is probably inevitable and (taking the cosmetic consideration out of the equation) sensible.
I have to say that it hasn't really reduced my enjoyment of the sport, although I'm sure it can be refined and integrated better (see Formula E Gen 2).
I was never really against the Halo as such- I grudgingly accepted that if such a device existed and had been studied and developed to the point that the FIA were satisfied that it could only have a neutral or positive impact on safety, it's introduction is probably inevitable and (taking the cosmetic consideration out of the equation) sensible.
I have to say that it hasn't really reduced my enjoyment of the sport, although I'm sure it can be refined and integrated better (see Formula E Gen 2).
PhantomPH said:
when was the last time you saw a crash that would have 'tested' such a device? In this modern era, I cannot remember a time when (with notable exceptions included that have already been established the halo would not have helped) there was encroachment into the drivers' head area enough to have justified such a device.
I can recall a number of near misses, Grosjean going over Alonso at La Source several years ago was a pretty close thing... Here's the analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYkGjUHstKY&t=...
Hope this wasn't posted already, couldn't see it in the thread.
budgie smuggler said:
Here's the analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYkGjUHstKY&t=...
Hope this wasn't posted already, couldn't see it in the thread.
Hadn't seen that before. Quite interesting to hear the justifications for the decision. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYkGjUHstKY&t=...
Hope this wasn't posted already, couldn't see it in the thread.
As you say with that kind of glancing blow from the rear/side it's hard to say definitively what effect the halo had on deflecting the car's trajectory or protecting the driver's head as he's relatively protected behind the roll hoop and head protection around the cockpit when attacked from that angle, but the rollbar mounted camera was knocked off and there's obviously the tyre marks along the engine cover and halo itself so it was certainly a close call.
Vocal Minority said:
Whilst I still dislike the general aesthetic of them, they are slowly startinmg to become the new normal I guess.
In terms of vision - the joy of binocular vision is that our eyes will sort of see round something like that. Put your finger about a foot in front of your nose and if you don't focus your eyes sort of fill int he gaps and its not obtrusive.
With regards to the on board shots - the over head and nose are fine - where people are making a big deal of it, I have only seen them post video's from Alonso's car - so it's one of the cameras on one of the cars. Hardly a massive disaster and rectifiable.
Also, it's fairly rare that you're looking dead ahead on a circuit. The few times they are, they're probably making adjust on the steering wheel anyway. In terms of vision - the joy of binocular vision is that our eyes will sort of see round something like that. Put your finger about a foot in front of your nose and if you don't focus your eyes sort of fill int he gaps and its not obtrusive.
With regards to the on board shots - the over head and nose are fine - where people are making a big deal of it, I have only seen them post video's from Alonso's car - so it's one of the cameras on one of the cars. Hardly a massive disaster and rectifiable.
I'm not gonna lie in saying that honestly I don't really notice it during a race.
Yeah it's there and when the cars are static or when they do close ups you see it and it looks terrible but I'm usually focused on the racing and this year it's been half decent.
The cars are already terribly ugly so a bit more ugly doesn't make much difference.
Yeah it's there and when the cars are static or when they do close ups you see it and it looks terrible but I'm usually focused on the racing and this year it's been half decent.
The cars are already terribly ugly so a bit more ugly doesn't make much difference.
F1GTRUeno said:
I'm not gonna lie in saying that honestly I don't really notice it during a race.
Yeah it's there and when the cars are static or when they do close ups you see it and it looks terrible but I'm usually focused on the racing and this year it's been half decent.
The cars are already terribly ugly so a bit more ugly doesn't make much difference.
Same here. It’s not like they have stuck a roof box on an e-type. The cars are function over form and have been for years. Yeah it's there and when the cars are static or when they do close ups you see it and it looks terrible but I'm usually focused on the racing and this year it's been half decent.
The cars are already terribly ugly so a bit more ugly doesn't make much difference.
So now we've had a good number of races with the halo just thought I'd revive this thread. To be honest it hasn't bothered me as much as I thought it would and it is good to think if one car goes bouncing over another there is something there to stop a crush injury or worse.
Interested to hear other's opinions, don't see much written about it anymore
Interested to hear other's opinions, don't see much written about it anymore
patmahe said:
So now we've had a good number of races with the halo just thought I'd revive this thread. To be honest it hasn't bothered me as much as I thought it would and it is good to think if one car goes bouncing over another there is something there to stop a crush injury or worse.
Interested to hear other's opinions, don't see much written about it anymore
I suppose you get used to anything in the end. It now appears normal. The first time it came to my attention was as Hamilton struggled to get out of his car after Hungary.Interested to hear other's opinions, don't see much written about it anymore
I disliked wings when they first arrived, at least on F1 cars. I was taken by the Chaparral 2 when I first saw it at Brands but when it later moved to Lotus I thought it ugly. Once it was lowered on the 49 it wasn't quite so repulsive, but the 25 is still, at least to me, the epitome of an F1 car. I accept that the BT 54 looks cool.
It's OK and if it keeps drivers safe, then I've no argument against it.
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