The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

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Vaud

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50,283 posts

154 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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Sam993 said:
For sure, as much as I don't rate Rosberg as a great driver I respect him for knowing his limitations and understanding that it's better to get off the stage as a champion than as someone who used to be one once and ended his career in some stty team at the back of the grid. That's how I see it, for sure.
For sure you are right. wink

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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Vaud said:
Sam993 said:
For sure, as much as I don't rate Rosberg as a great driver I respect him for knowing his limitations and understanding that it's better to get off the stage as a champion than as someone who used to be one once and ended his career in some stty team at the back of the grid. That's how I see it, for sure.
For sure you are right. wink
hehe

Are you guys listening to Beyond The Grid Podcast? Mark Webber gave a great insight into Nico's fragility in this weeks episode.

Vaud

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50,283 posts

154 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
hehe

Are you guys listening to Beyond The Grid Podcast? Mark Webber gave a great insight into Nico's fragility in this weeks episode.
Not yet but will pick it up later.

Sam993

1,302 posts

71 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Vaud said:
Sam993 said:
For sure, as much as I don't rate Rosberg as a great driver I respect him for knowing his limitations and understanding that it's better to get off the stage as a champion than as someone who used to be one once and ended his career in some stty team at the back of the grid. That's how I see it, for sure.
For sure you are right. wink
hehe

Are you guys listening to Beyond The Grid Podcast? Mark Webber gave a great insight into Nico's fragility in this weeks episode.
Arrrgh man I tried to give it a go for sure but the background noise is too much. Do you have a time stamp for the bit where they talk about Rosberg?

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
hehe

Are you guys listening to Beyond The Grid Podcast? Mark Webber gave a great insight into Nico's fragility in this weeks episode.
I really like Webber but can he really talk when he was in the best car and couldn't win a Championship?

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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Sam993 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Vaud said:
Sam993 said:
For sure, as much as I don't rate Rosberg as a great driver I respect him for knowing his limitations and understanding that it's better to get off the stage as a champion than as someone who used to be one once and ended his career in some stty team at the back of the grid. That's how I see it, for sure.
For sure you are right. wink
hehe

Are you guys listening to Beyond The Grid Podcast? Mark Webber gave a great insight into Nico's fragility in this weeks episode.
Arrrgh man I tried to give it a go for sure but the background noise is too much. Do you have a time stamp for the bit where they talk about Rosberg?
I don't, although he talks about him twice (williams and mercedes periods), I listened in the car and it didn't sound too bad.

Sam993

1,302 posts

71 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Sam993 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Vaud said:
Sam993 said:
For sure, as much as I don't rate Rosberg as a great driver I respect him for knowing his limitations and understanding that it's better to get off the stage as a champion than as someone who used to be one once and ended his career in some stty team at the back of the grid. That's how I see it, for sure.
For sure you are right. wink
hehe

Are you guys listening to Beyond The Grid Podcast? Mark Webber gave a great insight into Nico's fragility in this weeks episode.
Arrrgh man I tried to give it a go for sure but the background noise is too much. Do you have a time stamp for the bit where they talk about Rosberg?
I don't, although he talks about him twice (williams and mercedes periods), I listened in the car and it didn't sound too bad.
I'll try with headphones later on, for sure.

tigerkoi

2,927 posts

197 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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MissChief said:
According to this site (and I have no idea of it's accuracy)
https://www.canadianbusiness.com/lists-and-ranking...
Lawrence Stroll 'only' has a net wealth of $2.04Bn Canadian. Compare this to the Saputo family wealth of $10.41Bn Canadian it's rather more. Of course a lot of that money is likely tied up in various fund, stock options, property and other appreciating assets for both of them, but I'm sure they have many millions in a 'slush fund' to do with as they please and could likely lay their hands on many more within a day or two if necessary.
tbh it’s always an imprecise game what these publications do - putting a figure on worth of an individual or family. You’re right to point out that those numbers are in Canadian dollars, and at what, 0.56 to sterling, obfuscation is easy.

A couple of the names on the list I have knowledge on so no comment there, but I think generally some of these families aren’t as benevolent to each other as you’d expect. Look at the Reichmann lot, the O&Y property guys who famously went bust in the early 90s. When the main brother died, and the next most senior brother took over, he promptly cut out his own son of any income from the family businesses. Then the son goes about suing his parents for more dosh! In the court docs the son’s assets listed came to $7m, including 3 in cash and 2 in his house. Not a huge amount in the context that the “family worth” is north of $2bn.

"It was Abraham's reasonable expectation that the monthly [42k] payments would continue to support his and his family's lifestyle as it had for almost 30 years before."

Money and family is sometimes a toxic mix. Apologies for the thread digression.... blabla

Sa Calobra

36,999 posts

210 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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I'll be watching the 2019 season in the back pages of newspapers.


Dr Z

3,396 posts

170 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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Re: Bottas vs Rosberg.

Bottas is a safe pair of hands and you do get the impression he works hard to try and beat Hamilton week in week out. But we never see him beat Lewis with a decent margin over a quali lap, do we? It has always been very tiny margins. To me Lewis didn't look quite so unbeatable against Nico over a quali lap, and Lewis is arguably the best qualifier in the sport.

I think Bottas has stepped up a gear for this year and has generally been much more competitive with Hamilton, so I do think he has deserved this new contract. His race craft is better than Rosberg but I got the impression that Hamilton hated losing to Rosberg more than Bottas. smile

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
HustleRussell said:
Source?

Thought not.
Lewis Sign's a new deal and Bottas gets the nod the very next day.

Do we need a source? biggrin
Seems quite likely.

For what it’s worth it was the conclusion reached by the pundits on the Sky F1 Report today.

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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Vaud said:
It's an interesting point. Some on this forum have privileged information from team sources.

Some is speculation. It's just good to know which is which.
there are indeed some people on this forum with great knowledge of the industry who's posts are fascinating in the insight they offer, but they seem ever more diluted and drowned today by those relentlessly and cynically campaigning an opinion they're determined to paint as fact. Like so much of the internet today, sadly.

rscott

14,689 posts

190 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
So if Kimi is retained by Ferrari what would you think about that?

Vettel has basically just said that Leclerc has time on his hands before joining Ferrari. He wants Kimi retained as he is not an issue.

Lewis basically stated to Ricciardo he lacks strong options back in June. He also wanted Bottas retained stating they get on.

Of course they all get on. Bottas and Kimi are not an issue.

Both Vettel and Lewis are at it.
Does that translate as "I don't want him here yet - I'm worried he'll beat me"?

bobbo89

5,151 posts

144 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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rscott said:
Does that translate as "I don't want him here yet - I'm worried he'll beat me"?
Pretty much!

If he doesn’t get the Ferrari seat next year what’s the chance of him being picked by the likes of Renault?

kambites

67,460 posts

220 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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bobbo89 said:
If he doesn’t get the Ferrari seat next year what’s the chance of him being picked by the likes of Renault?
Isn't he under contract to Ferrari anyway? I'm not quire sure how these "junior driver programs" work in terms of contracts but I get the feeling Ferrari have some sort of contractual right to control where he goes... which of course is not to say they wouldn't be delighted for him to have some seat time in a decent works team if they don't want him in the Ferrari yet.

He could easily end up at Renault (or maybe Haas?) but I'm damned sure Ferrari will have some sort of clause so they can steal him at short notice if they want him.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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rscott said:
Does that translate as "I don't want him here yet - I'm worried he'll beat me"?
Basically Ferrari are putting Vettel's number one status in front of thinking about Ferrari.

Look how that worked out for Red Bull with Vettel.

If Ferrari don't sign Leclerc and he gets a drive elsewhere then Ferrari have lost the plot.

Isn't it refreshing that Red Bull have two top drivers in one team. Just hope if Ricciardo stays the car will be the one to beat in 2019.

But I doubt it.

Vaud

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50,283 posts

154 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Basically Ferrari are putting Vettel's number one status in front of thinking about Ferrari.

Look how that worked out for Red Bull with Vettel.
Look how it worked for them with Schumacher.

Both Mercedes and Ferrari have clear no 1 strategies now.

Sam993

1,302 posts

71 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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If I was Sainz I'd be seriously pissed off, he's most likely getting replaced by Ocon at Renault and his only realistic option is going back to Toro Rosso, not the best way to develop ones career.

tigerkoi

2,927 posts

197 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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Politely, people must be living in Narnia if they think that a driver who’s got leverage and bargaining weight won’t not interfere in who their partner driver will be. They’d all do it if they have the leverage. hehe

You don’t need to be an industry insider or anything smart to see that someone like Bottas of course was getting re-signed by Mercedes. He’s fairly inoffensive, scores the odd win, less hassle. Lewis for now has is number, everything is beautiful.

It’s common sense, and basic game theory! If you’ve got the heft of a Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton, Prost etc, multiple winners, then of course you make it perfectly clear that you’re not interested in any intra-team rivalry. No deal. Why would you? Elite sportsmen don’t go in for all that idealistic claptrap like it’s Legends of the Round Table.

A rational, intelligent person does not willingly welcome any significant internal threat to their chances of getting the big prize. Not rocket science and rational behaviour for serial winners who are wired that way. People who pedal around at less competitive levels of a sport might gleefully say they “love the competitive buzz”. But if you’re singularly focussed on staying #1, adding more nuggets to your collection, you say that behind a dead smile, gritted teeth and monster Fittipaldi sunglasses when the camera is in your face.

They’re all the same. Just some are at the top of their career arc, some at the bottom and some, watching the clock and wanting to make the best calculated move and don’t have all the cards in their pocket.

On Raikkonen I’m guessing with the situation around Marchionne that whether he stays or goes might be a decision that’s filtered into others hands now, like Elkann, so hard to read. But I’d keep Kimi; he’s content, Vettel is performing better, and at some point a WCC will be a lock.

Ricciardo: last few months I don’t think show him as the smartest negotiator in the room. Naive to be constantly bounding up to the camera and telling all. Best to have kept his mouth shut and played it low key until the clock stops. So to see his body language slowly droop as the weeks went by gradually realising he might not be quite the ultimate object of everyone’s interests, was telling. Verstappen is cool though; he has time on his side and knows neither of them are likely to be WDC with a Renault engine.

ghost83

5,475 posts

189 months

Saturday 21st July 2018
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I’ve heard from a “friend” le clerk will be replacing grojean at haas

I’ve Also heard Kimi is staying at Ferrari so I’m guessing Vettel doesn’t want Danny ric there either