The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

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Stan the Bat

8,841 posts

211 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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Thanks, will give it a listen.

rdjohn

6,135 posts

194 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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It’s actually part of the “Beyond the grid”, Tom Clarkeson series.

M3ax

1,291 posts

211 months

Friday 21st September 2018
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I always get them mixed up. At 5.30 am on the train I just hit the button smile

I may try and concentrate next week and list the ones I like for comments.

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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andburg said:
Teams need to be RBR style cut throat in these academies and drop drivers who are unlikely to get to their own top drive. That would create a free market of drivers with some experience for the independent teams to look at.
Doesn’t quite ring true in 2019, given that STR is very likely to field at least one (and probably 2) driver who’s already had a crack at F1...there are plenty of drivers out there with no F1 experience...the real problem is that of the Superlicence requirements

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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Vaud said:
Post 2020? Hamilton will retire I think. Ocon-Russell?
Not until he’s beaten Schumacher’s record. I think that once he’s done that he might fancy a seat at Ferrari if it’s competitive.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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rubystone said:
Vaud said:
Post 2020? Hamilton will retire I think. Ocon-Russell?
Not until he’s beaten Schumacher’s record. I think that once he’s done that he might fancy a seat at Ferrari if it’s competitive.
He’ll be too old then

thegreenhell

15,110 posts

218 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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He'll keep going until he's crushed Vettel, either by having sufficiently more titles that Vettel won't be able to beat his record before he retires, or until Vettel gets found out by another teammate and doesn't get another shot at one himself. 2020 might be long enough.

Teddy Lop

8,290 posts

66 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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Kccv23highliftcam said:
Formula 1: Is Kimi Raikkonen right to stay in F1? - Jolyon Palmer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/45572124

Oh the irony.
wow Palmer really does talk some rot, car crash is too kind, that's a motorway pile up. Life's too short to even list all that's wrong in that article, its the literacy equivalent of witnessing an 80 year old whose never driven a manual trying out clutch control for the first time.

Teddy Lop

8,290 posts

66 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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Exige77 said:
rubystone said:
Vaud said:
Post 2020? Hamilton will retire I think. Ocon-Russell?
Not until he’s beaten Schumacher’s record. I think that once he’s done that he might fancy a seat at Ferrari if it’s competitive.
He’ll be too old then
I don't know about Lewis to ferrari but he's got a few years in him if he wants, Kimi is what 5 years older but still quick and in the right car without too competitive a team mate could take a title, modern F1 cars are a little kinder and the drivers typically don't carry the injuries they did.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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How long a top driver can last boils down to how motivated they are, its a tough life for someone with other options because of their success.

From a physical capability position you could drive well into your 50's and still have the pace.

andburg

7,213 posts

168 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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rubystone said:
andburg said:
Teams need to be RBR style cut throat in these academies and drop drivers who are unlikely to get to their own top drive. That would create a free market of drivers with some experience for the independent teams to look at.
Doesn’t quite ring true in 2019, given that STR is very likely to field at least one (and probably 2) driver who’s already had a crack at F1...there are plenty of drivers out there with no F1 experience...the real problem is that of the Superlicence requirements
If others had been as cutthroat there would be a glut of drivers with enough points, talent and crucially no politics to fill those seats

rdjohn

6,135 posts

194 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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jsf said:
How long a top driver can last boils down to how motivated they are, its a tough life for someone with other options because of their success.

From a physical capability position you could drive well into your 50's and still have the pace.
I remember being at Outon Park in 1989 when Paul Stewart was competing in British Fi3. He was complaining that there was something wrong with the set up, it was just not fast enough.

Apparently, dad got in the car and set a time that would have put him on pole. He told Paul there was nothing wrong with the car. Paul’s race career did not progress that much further.

Having said that, I do struggle to believe that a 50-year old would be very competitive in current F1. Sure Brundle can get in a modern car and look good for the camera, but I don’t think he could hold Lewis to account in a second Mercedes. I suppose the debate would be could he beat Stroll? - I don’t think so.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,393 posts

271 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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rdjohn said:
Having said that, I do struggle to believe that a 50-year old would be very competitive in current F1.
It's difficult to say. The cars are certainly less physically demanding to drive than in the past - drivers of Mansell's era needed neck muscles like a bulldog. But then again, drivers these days have fitness levels of top athletes, so I don't know.

tobinen

9,180 posts

144 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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I thought this generation of cars are the fastest ever. They're pulling more Gs than ever before..

Badgerboy

1,783 posts

191 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
It's difficult to say. The cars are certainly less physically demanding to drive than in the past - drivers of Mansell's era needed neck muscles like a bulldog. But then again, drivers these days have fitness levels of top athletes, so I don't know.
Your reflexes start to degrade as you age, the limiting factor will be the drivers losing that tenth here or there as the years accumulate.

FourWheelDrift

88,375 posts

283 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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tobinen said:
I thought this generation of cars are the fastest ever. They're pulling more Gs than ever before..
Today's drivers also have the benefit of the higher cockpit padded sides that limit movement by G force to the side. In Mansell's day they were exposed down to their shoulders so the neck took all the G.

exelero

1,890 posts

88 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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Williams line-up next year: Sirotkin-Russel. Not confirmed yet

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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rdjohn said:
I remember being at Outon Park in 1989 when Paul Stewart was competing in British Fi3. He was complaining that there was something wrong with the set up, it was just not fast enough.

Apparently, dad got in the car and set a time that would have put him on pole. He told Paul there was nothing wrong with the car. Paul’s race career did not progress that much further.

Having said that, I do struggle to believe that a 50-year old would be very competitive in current F1. Sure Brundle can get in a modern car and look good for the camera, but I don’t think he could hold Lewis to account in a second Mercedes. I suppose the debate would be could he beat Stroll? - I don’t think so.
Brundle has let his fitness slide, you would obviously have to retain the physical fitness level to compete, which comes down to motivation.

glazbagun

14,257 posts

196 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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The return of Schumacher is the most recent example of age in F1. But after Rosberg's showing against Hamilton, maybe 40's Schumacher was better than he looked. And that was after a break.

If Lewis is taking championships to the wire every yearfor the next ten years, I can't see his fitness dropping. But if he ends up like Alonso fighting back markers when he already has a full trophy cabinet, then I can see him looking to other pursuits. I still think Rosberg was the best thing that happened to Hamilton from a sharpness POV. If he'd had Bottas for all those yearsI'm not sure he'd be as good today.


Clockwork Cupcake

74,393 posts

271 months

Saturday 22nd September 2018
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jsf said:
Brundle has let his fitness slide, you would obviously have to retain the physical fitness level to compete, which comes down to motivation.
Having a minor heart attack a couple of years ago probably hasn't motivated him to push his physical fitness.

He looks in pretty good condition for his age, tbh.

Edit: And just a few weeks after that heart attack in 2016, he put a Le Mans car on Pole Position. Not bad for someone who was 57 at the time.


Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Saturday 22 September 15:57