The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*
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Vaud said:
HustleRussell said:
Deesee said:
Red bull with the Honda money could afford Vettel or Hamilton...
They could afford them now if they wanted, they just don't need a Vettel or Hamilton. They need a front man and a lead driver.
Deesee said:
Of course the red bull owner Dietrich could fund a $100 mill a season deal, having a contribution from Honda would certainly ease the burden.
They need a front man and a lead driver.
I know... But money won't persuade Vettel or Hamilton out of a winning car into the 3rd fastest car. Even for $100M.They need a front man and a lead driver.
HustleRussell said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Renault offered Red Bull their engines be badged as Aston Martin for their commercial benefit which tells me two things-Renault wanted to keep Red Bull as a customer but Red Bull preferred Honda.
What we haven't got a clue about is why?
Because if the Red Bull isn't Renault powered then Renault power units are going to completely disappear from the podium. What we haven't got a clue about is why?
Renault have been trying to ditch Red Bull for at least the last three years, so their sudden turn around in the last few days to offer them the Aston Martin naming concession was clearly a sign that they knew that the deal was finally done with Honda, and they were just trying to publicly show that they were trying to hold on to RBR when really they knew it couldn't happen. It's all part of playing the political game of F1.
Publicly they are saying they are sad to lose Red Bull, but on the inside they couldn't be happier.
HarryFlatters said:
Deesee said:
Red bull with the Honda money could afford Vettel or Hamilton...
Why though? Danny and Max, given the equipment, are entirely capable of winning a championship.Anyway pure speculation on my part.
HustleRussell said:
I really like Missed Apex but I really struggled through that podcast, Saward is so patronising... apparently anybody who doesn’t buy his .PDF must have the attention span of a gnat.
He comes across as a miserable t
t 99% of the time. The fact that his version of the deal not happening has turned out to be false and an idiot in his ‘shed’ has a better source must be killing him inside 
DanielSan said:
Dr Z said:
Well, if McLaren really did approach Ricciardo, it can mean Alonso is leaving.
If I were them, I'd put Norris in the car along with Vandoorne.
Put the extra $$$ into the car.
Claire Williams has taken this route recently... If I were them, I'd put Norris in the car along with Vandoorne.
Put the extra $$$ into the car.
Edited by Deesee on Thursday 21st June 14:57
HustleRussell said:
I'm sure you know this anyway but Red Bull's headline sponsor Aston Martin have been posturing from the fringes for years now about building an F1 engine so if they put their money where their mouth is we can expect the Red Bull to be Aston Martin powered from 2021. That said I'm sceptical that AM will ever enter the fray.
Hmm, I forgot that...I doubt AM are serious about entering, given what has been on the table for the 2021 regs. They will open up some of the fuel flow limits to not become too under powered from now, but it's still going to be an efficiency formula from what I can tell. Combustion technology will most likely be at the forefront which is not cheap or easy, it all sounds like witch craft to me from what a few acquaintances in that field tell me. Perhaps AM could work with partners like Mahle but there might be advantages to having it in-house.Porsche could do it though, that's a distinct possibility.
DanielSan said:
Dr Z said:
Well, if McLaren really did approach Ricciardo, it can mean Alonso is leaving.
If I were them, I'd put Norris in the car along with Vandoorne.
Put the extra $$$ into the car.
Claire Williams has taken this route recently... If I were them, I'd put Norris in the car along with Vandoorne.
Put the extra $$$ into the car.
Alonso will be a big loss but he ain't cheap. How Zak Brown navigates this conundrum will be interesting.
Dr Z said:
DanielSan said:
Dr Z said:
Well, if McLaren really did approach Ricciardo, it can mean Alonso is leaving.
If I were them, I'd put Norris in the car along with Vandoorne.
Put the extra $$$ into the car.
Claire Williams has taken this route recently... If I were them, I'd put Norris in the car along with Vandoorne.
Put the extra $$$ into the car.
Alonso will be a big loss but he ain't cheap. How Zak Brown navigates this conundrum will be interesting.
Edited by Deesee on Thursday 21st June 14:57
Deesee said:
DR Z, I had assumed/presumed the 3 year deal with the Kimo* brand (co owned by Alonso) with McLaren/kimoa was in liu of salary, if Mclaren have a 3 yr deal surely they will want a 3 year drive?
Kimoa placement might be in lieu of some salary, but not all of it. There isn't that much placement?Dr Z said:
Hmm, I forgot that...I doubt AM are serious about entering, given what has been on the table for the 2021 regs. They will open up some of the fuel flow limits to not become too under powered from now, but it's still going to be an efficiency formula from what I can tell. Combustion technology will most likely be at the forefront which is not cheap or easy, it all sounds like witch craft to me from what a few acquaintances in that field tell me. Perhaps AM could work with partners like Mahle but there might be advantages to having it in-house.
Porsche could do it though, that's a distinct possibility.
Cosworth branded as AM I believe would be the plan.Porsche could do it though, that's a distinct possibility.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-mclar...
Riccardo's saying going to McLaren or Renault and building the team around him has 'some appeal'
Riccardo's saying going to McLaren or Renault and building the team around him has 'some appeal'
ajprice said:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-mclar...
Riccardo's saying going to McLaren or Renault and building the team around him has 'some appeal'
Unless McLaren has changed something (they could bloody do with it) They don't do number 1 drivers and building the team around him.Riccardo's saying going to McLaren or Renault and building the team around him has 'some appeal'
Hence the Alonso flounce over Hamilton.
Vaud said:
Deesee said:
DR Z, I had assumed/presumed the 3 year deal with the Kimo* brand (co owned by Alonso) with McLaren/kimoa was in liu of salary, if Mclaren have a 3 yr deal surely they will want a 3 year drive?
Kimoa placement might be in lieu of some salary, but not all of it. There isn't that much placement?Rear wing say sponsor like say, Ethiad airways or Petronas.
I’d have though that would cover a fair few million pa.
Deesee said:
? Back of rear wing, barge boards and front nose.
Rear wing say sponsor like say, Ethiad airways or Petronas.
I’d have though that would cover a fair few million pa.
Could also be a simple case of having that logo on the car simply to make it look like they aren’t as short on sponsors as they actually are. Rear wing say sponsor like say, Ethiad airways or Petronas.
I’d have though that would cover a fair few million pa.
DanielSan said:
Deesee said:
? Back of rear wing, barge boards and front nose.
Rear wing say sponsor like say, Ethiad airways or Petronas.
I’d have though that would cover a fair few million pa.
Could also be a simple case of having that logo on the car simply to make it look like they aren’t as short on sponsors as they actually are. Rear wing say sponsor like say, Ethiad airways or Petronas.
I’d have though that would cover a fair few million pa.
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