F1 on TV - 2019

[r11co]

MissChief said:

Sky have also done a deal with Netflix to offer it as part of a Sky subscription and integrate it into the TV guide for the first time anywhere.

bks. Virgin have been offering this to TiVo (and subsequently V6) customers for years.

Where are you getting your information from?

Edited by r11co on Thursday 21st June 14:20

[rscott]

r11co said:

MissChief said:

Sky have also done a deal with Netflix to offer it as part of a Sky subscription and integrate it into the TV guide for the first time anywhere.

Virgin have been offering this to TiVo (and subsequently V6) customers for years.

Not integrated into the guide and search results though.

[Derek Smith]

sparta6 said:

MissChief said:

The BBC have shown they have zero real interest in showing the F1, clearly it's not posh enough. The BBC is ruled by the middle and upper class who have no real interest in F1 and don't see any benefit in it at all. They all prefer the tennis!

It's odd isn't it ?
You would have thought that the BBC's Rolex wearing champagne socialists would be all over F1.

I don't think that's quite the BBC's attitude to F1. They were obliged to dump either Wimbledon or F1 by the then government. There were factions inside the BBC favouring each but in the end there were programming benefits to Wimbledon.

BBC sports were gutted at the loss. It was all down to politics and not by the middle/upper/socialist/other bete noirs are available for all prejudices.

[r11co]

rscott said:

Not integrated into the guide and search results though.

Err, yes it does. Portal is through channel 204 of the EPG, and if you search for a particular series or box-set in the 'My Shows' menu it will tell you it is available through Netflix and allow you to view it if you are a subscriber.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 21st June 14:27

[SV_WDC]

thegreenhell said:

The British GP will still be live on a free terrestrial channel, if I remember correctly.

Assuming there is still a British GP by then

[rscott]

r11co said:

rscott said:

Not integrated into the guide and search results though.

Err, yes it does. Portal is through channel 204 of the EPG, and if you search for a particular series or box-set in the 'My Shows' menu it will tell you it is available through Netflix and allow you to view it if you are a subscriber.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 21st June 14:27

So not from the main search section of the v6? ( I don't have one as they cover my area) .

Apparently the Q integration is very deep, so they'll be returned from any search for a title, in recommendations, similar shows, etc. ( https://www.sky.com/help/articles/sky-and-netflix-... )

[r11co]

rscott said:

So not from the main search section of the v6?

The 'My Shows' is the main search on the TiVo/V6.

rscott said:

I don't have one.

I would never have guessed.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 21st June 14:55

[rscott]

r11co said:

rscott said:

So not from the main search section of the v6?

The 'My Shows' is the main search on the TiVo/V6.

rscott said:

I don't have one.

I would never have guessed.

Edited by r11co on Thursday 21st June 14:55

Foolishly assumed Virgin's help video was accurate.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md4uodm5bDw . That has a separate 'My Shows & Recordings' section and I thought there was another search under that..

[r11co]

rscott said:

Foolishly assumed Virgin's help video was accurate.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md4uodm5bDw . That has a separate 'My Shows & Recordings' section and I thought there was another search under that..

It's a TiVo thing. There are several ways to search, but the 'My Shows' and 'Series Link Plus' thing is what Sky are trying to emulate with the recommendations/similar shows in Sky Q.

Sky used to run the TiVo service in the UK until they lost the contract to VIrgin in 2009. They've been playing catchup ever since as far as STB integrated services is concerned (although their marketing would have you believe otherwise). For example, the ability to pause a stream on one box and then pick it up on another has been a TiVo staple, but most Virgin Media customers would have been unaware of it as they would only have one TiVo box.

With regards to Netflix, what was being claimed above as a 'first' for Sky simply isn't. The user interface might differ, but Virgin have been doing it for a long time now.

All completely off-topic of course (except to put some of the Sky shills in their place).

Edited by r11co on Thursday 21st June 15:22

[rscott]

r11co said:

rscott said:

Foolishly assumed Virgin's help video was accurate.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md4uodm5bDw . That has a separate 'My Shows & Recordings' section and I thought there was another search under that..

It's a TiVo thing. There are several ways to search, but the 'My Shows' and 'Series Link Plus' thing is what Sky are trying to emulate with the recommendations/similar shows in Sky Q.

Sky used to run the TiVo service in the UK until they lost the contract to VIrgin in 2009. They've been playing catchup ever since as far as STB integrated services is concerned (although their marketing would have you believe otherwise). For example, the ability to pause a stream on one box and then pick it up on another has been a TiVo staple, but most Virgin Media customers would have been unaware of it as they would only have one TiVo box.

With regards to Netflix, what was being claimed above as a 'first' for Sky simply isn't. The user interface might differ, but Virgin have been doing it for a long time now.

All completely off-topic of course (except to put some of the Sky shills in their place).

Edited by r11co on Thursday 21st June 15:22

Nice abuse.

Wonder how the V6 boxes will behave soon, once they've dumped the TiVo software and replaced it with Horizon.

Sky boxes still use TiVo services by the way - they provide the metadata used by the voice search.

[Roofless Toothless]

cuprabob said:

BBC would rather spend our money on improving Strictly Come Dancing and their Wimbledon coverage

Oh, be fair. And baking cakes.

[Mr Pointy]

Roofless Toothless said:

cuprabob said:

BBC would rather spend our money on improving Strictly Come Dancing and their Wimbledon coverage

Oh, be fair. And baking cakes.

All of which pull in millions of viewers, way more than F1 ever did. Given that they are a Public Service broadcaster you could say the spent the money correctly. They also refused to overspend on renewing the Bake Off contract which was probably another correct decision.

[Roofless Toothless]

All of which may be true, but doesn't help me. I'm an intellectual snob.

[HighwayStar]

MissChief said:

HighwayStar said:

Who then stay customers by threatening to leave and stay because Sky slash their package price rather than letting them walk.
Sky’s real fear is Netflix, Amazon and Apple. They are all on the move and are awash with money. It’s why Sky and BT have done their deal to make each other’s sports channels available on the others platforms next year. Enemies and allies. TV is changing and they are having to adapt.

Sky have also done a deal with Netflix to offer it as part of a Sky subscription and integrate it into the TV guide for the first time anywhere.

Eh no! BT TV has been doing since they offered Netflix 3 or so years ago. I get it as part of a staff package so you can take that as fact. Search via the program guide for say DareDevil and it will display the movie and the Netflix series Seasons 1&2, select an episode and you first be offered a 3 month free trial. Intergrated into the program guide long before Sky.

[r11co]

rscott said:

Wonder how the V6 boxes will behave soon, once they've dumped the TiVo software and replaced it with Horizon.

Virgin (actually Liberty Global) aren't 'dumping' TiVo software from the V6 boxes as Horizon is just their own-branded user interface that will run on top. Its another step towards standardising their platform internationally. Now what could possibly be the benefit of that in an F1 context....?

rscott said:

Sky boxes still use TiVo services by the way - they provide the metadata used by the voice search.

Good enough for Sky to run TiVo tech in the background then it is good enough for Virgin/Liberty to be doing the same, no?

HighwayStar said:

BT TV has been doing since they offered Netflix 3 or so years ago. I get it as part of a staff package so you can take that as fact. Search via the program guide for say DareDevil and it will display the movie and the Netflix series Seasons 1&2, select an episode and you first be offered a 3 month free trial. Intergrated into the program guide long before Sky.

[MissChief]

r11co said:

rscott said:

Wonder how the V6 boxes will behave soon, once they've dumped the TiVo software and replaced it with Horizon.

Virgin (actually Liberty Global) aren't 'dumping' TiVo software from the V6 boxes as Horizon is just their own-branded user interface that will run on top. Its another step towards standardising their platform internationally. Now what could possibly be the benefit of that in an F1 context....?

rscott said:

Sky boxes still use TiVo services by the way - they provide the metadata used by the voice search.

Good enough for Sky to run TiVo tech in the background then it is good enough for Virgin/Liberty to be doing the same, no?

HighwayStar said:

BT TV has been doing since they offered Netflix 3 or so years ago. I get it as part of a staff package so you can take that as fact. Search via the program guide for say DareDevil and it will display the movie and the Netflix series Seasons 1&2, select an episode and you first be offered a 3 month free trial. Intergrated into the program guide long before Sky.

Sky's coming option is different. With both BT's and Virgin's option you still need to subscribe to Netflix separately and are billed separately. For the first time ever Netflix have allowed another company to retail a 'Netflix' option directly to their customers, billed by Sky. The integration is also deeper than anything offered by anyone else with Netflix shows being presented as 'shows you might like' as well as being actively promoted through the Sky Q menus. Users won't need to go searching for Daredevil Season 3 or OITNB Season 4 if they've watched it previously, it'll be presented to them automatically, something no other provider has done as yet. Voice Search will also show Netflix shows as well.

[MissChief]

r11co said:

bks. Virgin have been offering this to TiVo (and subsequently V6) customers for years.

Where are you getting your information from?

Edited by r11co on Thursday 21st June 14:20

Channel 204 is still only really launching a standalone App, much like pressing a guide button then selecting Netflix or pressing a Netflix button on your TV remote. It's not really integration to the level being done by Sky.

Lets just say I have 'inside information' :P

[r11co]

MissChief said:

Lets just say I have 'inside information' :P

rscott said:

r11co said:

All completely off-topic of course (except to put some of the Sky shills in their place).

Nice abuse.

Or accurate observation it seems.

[HighwayStar]

MissChief said:

r11co said:

rscott said:

Wonder how the V6 boxes will behave soon, once they've dumped the TiVo software and replaced it with Horizon.

Virgin (actually Liberty Global) aren't 'dumping' TiVo software from the V6 boxes as Horizon is just their own-branded user interface that will run on top. Its another step towards standardising their platform internationally. Now what could possibly be the benefit of that in an F1 context....?

rscott said:

Sky boxes still use TiVo services by the way - they provide the metadata used by the voice search.

Good enough for Sky to run TiVo tech in the background then it is good enough for Virgin/Liberty to be doing the same, no?

HighwayStar said:

BT TV has been doing since they offered Netflix 3 or so years ago. I get it as part of a staff package so you can take that as fact. Search via the program guide for say DareDevil and it will display the movie and the Netflix series Seasons 1&2, select an episode and you first be offered a 3 month free trial. Intergrated into the program guide long before Sky.

Sky's coming option is different. With both BT's and Virgin's option you still need to subscribe to Netflix separately and are billed separately. For the first time ever Netflix have allowed another company to retail a 'Netflix' option directly to their customers, billed by Sky. The integration is also deeper than anything offered by anyone else with Netflix shows being presented as 'shows you might like' as well as being actively promoted through the Sky Q menus. Users won't need to go searching for Daredevil Season 3 or OITNB Season 4 if they've watched it previously, it'll be presented to them automatically, something no other provider has done as yet. Voice Search will also show Netflix shows as well.

I don't know about Virgin but the Netflix via BT is not billed separately. It appears on the BT bill with whatever other services the customers has.
Don't get me wrong I'm not here to promote BT TV, I might be staff but what Sky offers in general is brilliant. If that's what you want. Me, I prefer to see movies at the cinema, Netflix and Prime provide all the content I could ever want and as much as I love I'm not going to spend days on end in front the TV with a big monthly fee.
Back on point... and that's the problem for me with Sky and F1. If they just offered a basic package with the F1 channel, none of all the stuff I don't want then they'd have my attention. I have various friends who have Sky... They channel hop and roll through loads of channels which are never watched. Why would I want to pay for that?

[thegreenhell]

UK's Channel 4 is set to continue in F1

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/44753980

There is a free-to-air aspect of Sky's contract, which provides for live coverage of the British Grand Prix and highlights of all the other races on a channel that has "90% technical availability".

BBC Sport has learned this weekend that Channel 4 - which took over the free-to-air rights to F1 in the UK from the BBC in 2016 - is on the verge of concluding a deal to take on this aspect of the contract.

It is not clear when a deal will be confirmed, as there are still a couple of areas that have yet to be resolved between C4 and Sky. But it is expected to be within the next weeks.