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jsf

19,271 posts

194 months

Sunday 26th January
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TheDeuce said:
You're aware I was responding to other posters comments about Williams? And also not slagging them off.. Being honest and realistic about a situation is very different from, in your chosen turn of phrase, 'slagging them off'. A phrase I hate. It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.
Its a phrase that perfectly matches your posting history with regards to jumping on every negative story regarding that team.

Lets keep this thread about McLaren.


janesmith1950

8,423 posts

53 months

Sunday 26th January
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TheDeuce said:
You're aware I was responding to other posters comments about Williams? And also not slagging them off.. Being honest and realistic about a situation is very different from, in your chosen turn of phrase, 'slagging them off'. A phrase I hate. It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.
Yeah, but what you said about them being 'linked' was just the usual nonsense.

They're linked in that they competed against one another in the same sport.

Giving you benefit of the doubt, you possibly meant they have similarities in how they were run by powerful individuals, they came to the fore at similar times and together dominated a decent stretch in the 80s and 90s, and now they have waned in their ability to compete at the top.

That's not, however, because they are linked.

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Sunday 26th January
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jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
You're aware I was responding to other posters comments about Williams? And also not slagging them off.. Being honest and realistic about a situation is very different from, in your chosen turn of phrase, 'slagging them off'. A phrase I hate. It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.
Its a phrase that perfectly matches your posting history with regards to jumping on every negative story regarding that team.

Lets keep this thread about McLaren.
In that case, why would you not quote and respond to those that directed the conversion towards Williams in the first place!? Is this a personal issue you have with me or did you simply not bother to read the musings of those that posted before I did?

I you can find an example of me 'slagging off' Williams I would be amazed. That's not my nature at all. The Williams situation is important, it is interesting and sad in equal measure. It's a big story in F1 right now and that is literally the purpose of these forums.

jsf

19,271 posts

194 months

Sunday 26th January
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You have a serious complex.

Can we get back to McLaren now?

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Sunday 26th January
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janesmith1950 said:
TheDeuce said:
You're aware I was responding to other posters comments about Williams? And also not slagging them off.. Being honest and realistic about a situation is very different from, in your chosen turn of phrase, 'slagging them off'. A phrase I hate. It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.
Yeah, but what you said about them being 'linked' was just the usual nonsense.

They're linked in that they competed against one another in the same sport.

Giving you benefit of the doubt, you possibly meant they have similarities in how they were run by powerful individuals, they came to the fore at similar times and together dominated a decent stretch in the 80s and 90s, and now they have waned in their ability to compete at the top.

That's not, however, because they are linked.
Ok, you win. Serious talent has never moved between the two teams and changed their fortunes. According to some bloke called Frank at least... Nor have sponsors recently moved between the two.

I'm not a simpleton, I do understand that they're not 'linked' in as much as they are obviously two separate entities. But there have been exchanges in talent and opposing approaches where one has benefited and the other has not.

Also similarities in the terms that you mentioned - but I was really thinking chiefly about the Newey move, and I personally suspect less known talent probably moved across too. Then there is the fact that sponsors of one independent British team might find it quite easy to transfer to another, both teams tick similar boxes in fan base terms.

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Sunday 26th January
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jsf said:
You have a serious complex.

Can we get back to McLaren now?
You were the first person today to take the conversation entirely away from McLaren. Yours was the first post that added absolutely zero to the McLaren thread.

Let's be honest, your post was about my post! I'm not an F1 topic..

HustleRussell

18,466 posts

118 months

Sunday 26th January
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TheDeuce said:
It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.
TheDeuce said:
Is this a personal issue you have with me or did you simply not bother to read the musings of those that posted before I did?
Classic Deuce, playing victim card when checked.

janesmith1950

8,423 posts

53 months

Sunday 26th January
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TheDeuce said:
Ok, you win. Serious talent has never moved between the two teams and changed their fortunes. According to some bloke called Frank at least... Nor have sponsors recently moved between the two.

I'm not a simpleton, I do understand that they're not 'linked' in as much as they are obviously two separate entities. But there have been exchanges in talent and opposing approaches where one has benefited and the other has not.

Also similarities in the terms that you mentioned - but I was really thinking chiefly about the Newey move, and I personally suspect less known talent probably moved across too. Then there is the fact that sponsors of one independent British team might find it quite easy to transfer to another, both teams tick similar boxes in fan base terms.
Staff, drivers and sponsors move between all the teams. They even move to different championships and disciplines.

Who knew?

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Sunday 26th January
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janesmith1950 said:
TheDeuce said:
Ok, you win. Serious talent has never moved between the two teams and changed their fortunes. According to some bloke called Frank at least... Nor have sponsors recently moved between the two.

I'm not a simpleton, I do understand that they're not 'linked' in as much as they are obviously two separate entities. But there have been exchanges in talent and opposing approaches where one has benefited and the other has not.

Also similarities in the terms that you mentioned - but I was really thinking chiefly about the Newey move, and I personally suspect less known talent probably moved across too. Then there is the fact that sponsors of one independent British team might find it quite easy to transfer to another, both teams tick similar boxes in fan base terms.
Staff, drivers and sponsors move between all the teams. They even move to different championships and disciplines.

Who knew?
Who knew? Not Frank it turns out - not until it was too late: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/williams-admits...

If Frank considers that to be a link between the two teams future fortunes - may I please be permitted to feel the same way?

It's just daft in general to look at both teams and conclude there are no links to be made.

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Sunday 26th January
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HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
It's the sort of phrase used by someone that dislikes another persons opinion yet declines to offer a counter for it.
TheDeuce said:
Is this a personal issue you have with me or did you simply not bother to read the musings of those that posted before I did?
Classic Deuce, playing victim card when checked.
Just answer the question. Typical Russell.... Enters with an opinion and departs unable to justify it? Given your response to me, it is not unreasonable to ask why you complained about my post regarding Williams after ignoring the several posts about Williams before it. Naturally I question the cause of that as it doesn't appear to make any sense.

I also don't want to irritate you or anyone else - so if there was something you found particularly infuriating about my post, then share. I've posted in a public forum so of course I'm willing to hear people's views of my submission.

janesmith1950

8,423 posts

53 months

Sunday 26th January
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TheDeuce said:
Who knew? Not Frank it turns out - not until it was too late: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/williams-admits...

If Frank considers that to be a link between the two teams future fortunes - may I please be permitted to feel the same way?

It's just daft in general to look at both teams and conclude there are no links to be made.
Jesus. Look at how many teams Pat Symonds has been involved with. The F1 family tree must be more inbred than a German Shepherd's. Bet Frank loves going to the Renault Christmas party.

jsf

19,271 posts

194 months

Sunday 26th January
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McLaren

Thats what this thread is about.

HustleRussell

18,466 posts

118 months

Sunday 26th January
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TheDeuce said:
it is not unreasonable to ask why you complained about my post regarding Williams after ignoring the several posts about Williams before it
To take a leaf out of your repetitive playbook, indicate to me where I did that.

Also, posting my opinions doesn’t oblige me to ‘justify’ them to you. Seems a bit of a waste of time. You’ll only start calling me names again rolleyes

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Sunday 26th January
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HustleRussell said:
To take a leaf out of your repetitive playbook, indicate to me where I did that.
Here.. Others were discussing Williams in relation to McLaren, I offered my thoughts.

HustleRussell said:
jsf said:
Stick to slagging off Williams in the correct thread.
yes

Any maybe reduce it in general to be honest, no F1 fan needs to be told about the challenges facing Williams.
HustleRussell said:
Also, posting my opinions doesn’t oblige me to ‘justify’ them to you. Seems a bit of a waste of time. You’ll only start calling me names again rolleyes
You're not obliged - but if you do comment on someone else's thoughts in a public forum it is perhaps polite to explain why when asked. But, you're quite right you don't 'have to'.

I didn't call you a name directly - but I suppose that's irrelevant. If I offended you I did not mean to - and during the same exchange I really wasn't left feeling great about what you said.. I have enjoyed much of what you have contributed and certainly don't want you thinking I don't appreciate your effort in doing so. I have no issue with you whatsoever. I'd really just like to talk about F1.

jsf

19,271 posts

194 months

Sunday 26th January
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So, McLaren.

andycaca

412 posts

86 months

Sunday 26th January
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jsf said:
So, McLaren.
I don't often post much outside of the race specific threads, but I'll make an exception today.

I am looking forward to seeing what McLaren can maker of 2020, if they can continue their upward trajectory, off not joining the top three them certainly cementing best of the rest.

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Sunday 26th January
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jsf said:
So, McLaren.
Fair enough - McLaren.

I think what they achieved last year is incredible. There is no other performance handicap quite so impactful as an engine which occasionally blows up, yet they placed fourth ahead of the team that supplies their engines...

I think that with the Merc PU's 2021 onwards they stand a very good chance, I expect they will be a top team again and are brilliantly positioned for the 2021+ era. Most of all they are the underdog, they are an independent and I think the fan support as they continue to rise will be significant.

Edited by TheDeuce on Sunday 26th January 19:19

jsf

19,271 posts

194 months

Sunday 26th January
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They are doing everything right at the moment to continue to improve and should be in the mix for the new rules era.

LaurasOtherHalf

18,145 posts

154 months

Sunday 26th January
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Who, Williams?

TheDeuce

7,293 posts

24 months

Sunday 26th January
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Who, Williams?
Wrong thread wink