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MartG said:
McLaren have confirmed an entry in the 2019 Indy 500
https://www.indycar.com/News/2018/11/11-10-Fernand...
No details yet if they'll be doing it as part of an existing team or on their own
On their own.https://www.indycar.com/News/2018/11/11-10-Fernand...
No details yet if they'll be doing it as part of an existing team or on their own
https://www.crash.net/indycar/news/910101/1/mclare...
FourWheelDrift said:
MartG said:
McLaren have confirmed an entry in the 2019 Indy 500
https://www.indycar.com/News/2018/11/11-10-Fernand...
No details yet if they'll be doing it as part of an existing team or on their own
On their own.https://www.indycar.com/News/2018/11/11-10-Fernand...
No details yet if they'll be doing it as part of an existing team or on their own
https://www.crash.net/indycar/news/910101/1/mclare...
It just seems a massive dilution of effort, at a time when they need to be absolutely focussed on getting their backsides further from the floor of F1.
Having an inexperienced, hastily assembled, one-off race team does not bode well for winning Indy either.
This smacks of Brown perusing his American routes with FA, rather than getting McLaren further up the grid.
Having an inexperienced, hastily assembled, one-off race team does not bode well for winning Indy either.
This smacks of Brown perusing his American routes with FA, rather than getting McLaren further up the grid.
There are many month of May teams that turn up for Indy as their single race of the year. Even established teams run more that the usual 2 cars, some running 4 or 5. They can do it in Indycar because you buy the car and the engine package and go racing. They say they have personnel at McLaren who are available to run the cars so other than buying the car and engine package at the same price all the other teams (many of which have substantially less money than McLaren) there is no problem I can see to doing this.
Costs of racing at the Indianapolis 500 and the month of May - https://praiseindy.com/1769986/how-much-does-it-co...
They could be sponsored by an American company to help offset the small by F1 comparison bills, they could be sponsored by, Oh I dunno, someone like Coca-Cola? Guess who tested the McLaren PR waters in Mexico with a little bit of advertising. These things are never a coincidence.
Costs of racing at the Indianapolis 500 and the month of May - https://praiseindy.com/1769986/how-much-does-it-co...
They could be sponsored by an American company to help offset the small by F1 comparison bills, they could be sponsored by, Oh I dunno, someone like Coca-Cola? Guess who tested the McLaren PR waters in Mexico with a little bit of advertising. These things are never a coincidence.
But how often does a one-month team win the event? We are trying to complete FA’s CV here - no more.
How often does a winning car not come from a Penske, Andretti, or Ganassi? An experienced team and management has got to be better than a Rookie F1 outfit, finding their feet.
Honda teams seem to win twice as often as Chevrolet.
It may not be expensive in comparison, but it will be a drain on resources. If Coca-Cola were funding a full season’s racing for Fernando and dedicated team, then I would be inclined to view this slightly differently.
How often does a winning car not come from a Penske, Andretti, or Ganassi? An experienced team and management has got to be better than a Rookie F1 outfit, finding their feet.
Honda teams seem to win twice as often as Chevrolet.
It may not be expensive in comparison, but it will be a drain on resources. If Coca-Cola were funding a full season’s racing for Fernando and dedicated team, then I would be inclined to view this slightly differently.
Sorry to say they are s
te. Poor management in that they lack a supremo of substance. Williams and the Macs at the back of grid ffs. I'm old enough to remember Williams in the 70's at the back of the grid and their climb to the top was due to the tough guy Frank at the top. Good people supporting him as a true leader brought on the funding and engineering to win.
At the moment they are directionless and director less. In my young days I did not appreciate the worth of guys like Frank and Ron in motor racing but I was naive and erm...young.
te. Poor management in that they lack a supremo of substance. Williams and the Macs at the back of grid ffs. I'm old enough to remember Williams in the 70's at the back of the grid and their climb to the top was due to the tough guy Frank at the top. Good people supporting him as a true leader brought on the funding and engineering to win.At the moment they are directionless and director less. In my young days I did not appreciate the worth of guys like Frank and Ron in motor racing but I was naive and erm...young.
Indeed but also the 'game' is not the same. Massive budgets and manufacturers etc. It's a different world as it is in all motor racing these days.
It's not enough to have a good leader. You need masses of money, huge sponsors, hundreds of people, etc.
It's sad to see McLaren and Williams at the back and I hope it isn't too long before they can become at least mid tier teams but I am not hopeful.That said, both seem to have acknowledged that their cars have fundamental issues which wrecked their seasons.
It's not enough to have a good leader. You need masses of money, huge sponsors, hundreds of people, etc.
It's sad to see McLaren and Williams at the back and I hope it isn't too long before they can become at least mid tier teams but I am not hopeful.That said, both seem to have acknowledged that their cars have fundamental issues which wrecked their seasons.
rev-erend said:
carl_w said:
FFS, Red Bull at the front and McLaren dead last with the same engine
And Renault works team are somewhere in the middle.of the 2017 mclaren honda engine bay to make it fit.
Frimley111R said:
Indeed but also the 'game' is not the same. Massive budgets and manufacturers etc. It's a different world as it is in all motor racing these days.
It's not enough to have a good leader. You need masses of money, huge sponsors, hundreds of people, etc.
It's sad to see McLaren and Williams at the back and I hope it isn't too long before they can become at least mid tier teams but I am not hopeful.That said, both seem to have acknowledged that their cars have fundamental issues which wrecked their seasons.
I feel that the management problem is the same for both teams.It's not enough to have a good leader. You need masses of money, huge sponsors, hundreds of people, etc.
It's sad to see McLaren and Williams at the back and I hope it isn't too long before they can become at least mid tier teams but I am not hopeful.That said, both seem to have acknowledged that their cars have fundamental issues which wrecked their seasons.
In the days of Chapman, Tyrrell and Williams, teams and resources were minute by modern standards. Even when Jordan started in the ‘90s he only had 20 people to “control”. People like Ron were superb at making the team, bigger and better resourced but probably struggled to delegate, identify real talent and trust those with better knowledge around him.
It is pretty obvious why people like Horner and Wolff are successful. They have an even temperament no matter what is going on. They concentrating on managing the resources and media side, but rely heavily on the other leaders in the team, like Newey and Allison, to deliver the technical package, strategy and pit activities.
I don’t think you can see these qualities in either Claire Williams, or Zak Brown. I would be inclined to back Otmar Szafnauer, before Arrivabene, as well.
rdjohn said:
But how often does a one-month team win the event? We are trying to complete FA’s CV here - no more.
How often does a winning car not come from a Penske, Andretti, or Ganassi? An experienced team and management has got to be better than a Rookie F1 outfit, finding their feet.
Honda teams seem to win twice as often as Chevrolet.
It may not be expensive in comparison, but it will be a drain on resources. If Coca-Cola were funding a full season’s racing for Fernando and dedicated team, then I would be inclined to view this slightly differently.
Still doesn't stop McLaren tie-up with another team.How often does a winning car not come from a Penske, Andretti, or Ganassi? An experienced team and management has got to be better than a Rookie F1 outfit, finding their feet.
Honda teams seem to win twice as often as Chevrolet.
It may not be expensive in comparison, but it will be a drain on resources. If Coca-Cola were funding a full season’s racing for Fernando and dedicated team, then I would be inclined to view this slightly differently.
I reckon it could be Ed Carpenter Racing. It was an open secret he was running Danica Patrick this year before the official annoucement; Penske said he was at the limit this year so it'll mean running Alonso over Castroneves for 2019. AJ Foyt? Interesting dealing with the big guy....
I was listening to the Marshall Pruett Podcast last night and McLaren were close to buying out SPM a couple of years ago. Next year is likely a precursor to being an entrant outright for 2020.
130R said:
McLaren have the 4th highest budget in F1 (behind Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull). They are not some plucky underdog. Their performance in recent years has been embarrassing, especially with a driver as good as Alonso.
You are of course correct with your second sentence, but are you sure about your first- Renault have been pumping the money in of late.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff