Triple crown. Is the F1 part a Monaco win or a WDC?

Triple crown. Is the F1 part a Monaco win or a WDC?

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ajprice

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27,318 posts

195 months

Sunday 17th June 2018
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I've seen it defined both ways. Either way, Graham Hill did it and Alonso is 2 of 3 so far. So what do you see the triple crown as?

F1 Drivers Championship winner
Le Mans winner
Indy 500 winner

or

Monaco winner
Le Mans winner
Indy 500 winner

Heartworm

1,922 posts

160 months

Sunday 17th June 2018
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I've normally/only seen it defined as monaco,

DanielSan

18,747 posts

166 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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Monaco. The triple crown is the achievement of winning the 3 blue riband races in Motorsport.

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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It's a made up thing, so it can be whatever you want it to be. Logically however, it should be three individual races, not two races and one championship.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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It would be great to see Button get 2 out of 3 too and then maybe go for the legendary triple crown.

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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Only Graham Hill has done it, irrespective of whether it's Monaco or the Championship. And if Alonso does it the same will apply, so it's pretty much a moot point.

Anyhow, Monaco is more about the glamour than the racing. I'd prefer Monza, Silverstone, old Spa or Nurburgring. Jim Clark never won at Monaco, something he despaired of despite being a four-time winner at Spa...


ralphrj

3,508 posts

190 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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Halmyre said:
Only Graham Hill has done it, irrespective of whether it's Monaco or the Championship. And if Alonso does it the same will apply, so it's pretty much a moot point.
Unless Montoya wins Le Mans some time.

He was taking part for the first time this year albeit in LMP2. He won at Monaco in 2003 and has 2 Indy 500 victories (2000 and 2015).

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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I don't think it's that big a deal. Graham Hill never set out to win all three, it just happened as he was naturally racing in multiple disciplines, as they all did back then. Even if Alonso achieves it, and anything else he does in addition, he'll never match what John Surtees achieved.

Steamer

13,846 posts

212 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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thegreenhell said:
I don't think it's that big a deal. Graham Hill never set out to win all three, it just happened as he was naturally racing in multiple disciplines, as they all did back then. Even if Alonso achieves it, and anything else he does in addition, he'll never match what John Surtees achieved.
I think its a bigger deal these days looking at amount of competition out there (this years LMP excluded) - even getting a seat in team that get you on the podium at these 3 events sets you well apart from the rest of the field you are racing against.

coppice

8,562 posts

143 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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The triple crown was always F1 championship, Indy 500 and Le Mans in the 50 years I've been watching the sport, or at least it was until Alonso -uniquely - realised that motor sport was a broader church than Formula 1 . I have only heard the Monaco component recently - the popular press seem to have seized upon it , much as they do with asinine GOAT listings . And we all know that Giancarlo Baghetti would have cleaned up every list had he just retired after his first win ...

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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Just to cover all bases then, he should try to become WEC and Indycar series champion, as well as winning the individual races.

DanielSan

18,747 posts

166 months

Monday 18th June 2018
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thegreenhell said:
Just to cover all bases then, he should try to become WEC and Indycar series champion, as well as winning the individual races.
He’s on his way to the WEC title as things are at the moment.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

232 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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DanielSan said:
thegreenhell said:
Just to cover all bases then, he should try to become WEC and Indycar series champion, as well as winning the individual races.
He’s on his way to the WEC title as things are at the moment.
Yep.

And I don't see why if the fire is there he could not do the lot.

Personally i have always seen it as the triple crown of WDC, Le Mans and Indy.

At the risk of sounding a bit cockish Monaco is such a lottery that anyone could win it some years. Just ask Mr Panis.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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Triple Crown has always been Monaco, Indy 500 and Le Mans as far as I'm aware. I mean they're all races for one thing, that's the whole idea-winning the three blue ribband events in each discipline.

Plus it means JP Montoya can beat him to it smile

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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Rude-boy said:
DanielSan said:
thegreenhell said:
Just to cover all bases then, he should try to become WEC and Indycar series champion, as well as winning the individual races.
He’s on his way to the WEC title as things are at the moment.
Yep.

And I don't see why if the fire is there he could not do the lot.

Personally i have always seen it as the triple crown of WDC, Le Mans and Indy.

At the risk of sounding a bit cockish Monaco is such a lottery that anyone could win it some years. Just ask Mr Panis.
It's only retained on the WDC because of its glamourous image. It would never get accepted today if it were to be a new addition to the series.

World Champions who never won at Monaco but who won at Indy or Le Mans: Jim Clark, Mario Andretti, Emerson Fittipaldi, Jacques Villeneuve, Mike Hawthorn and Phil Hill. Not too shabby.

56Lotus

223 posts

153 months

Wednesday 20th June 2018
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Pop over to Autosport TNF where this is also being discussed by those who first came up with the term and it is quite clearly WDC, Le Mans and Indy 500.

Monaco was never part of it

HTH

Jon


coppice

8,562 posts

143 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Rude-boy said:
Yep.

And I don't see why if the fire is there he could not do the lot.

Personally i have always seen it as the triple crown of WDC, Le Mans and Indy.

At the risk of sounding a bit cockish Monaco is such a lottery that anyone could win it some years. Just ask Mr Panis.
Well, I couldn't win it and I suspect neither could you . Just like Jean Pierre Beltoise did in theBRM in 72 Panis beat everyone else on the day. There's no shouldas couldas wouldas - any Grand Prix win is deserved .

Kraken

1,710 posts

199 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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56Lotus said:
Pop over to Autosport TNF where this is also being discussed by those who first came up with the term and it is quite clearly WDC, Le Mans and Indy 500.

Monaco was never part of it

HTH

Jon
Makes absolutely no sense to be that combination. When Graham Hill did it was clear that it was for the three races.

M3ax

1,291 posts

211 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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Has anyone achieved it in the same year, grand slam style?

Halmyre

11,148 posts

138 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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M3ax said:
Has anyone achieved it in the same year, grand slam style?
Jim Clark won Indy and the World Championship in 1965.
Phil Hill won Le Mans and the World Championship in 1961.
AJ Foyt won Indy and Le Mans in 1967.