Dan Ticktum Can't Test - Boohoo or suck it up sunshine?

Dan Ticktum Can't Test - Boohoo or suck it up sunshine?

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Smitters

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3,590 posts

129 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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I've just been reading the Autosport story ( https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137508/red-bull-... ) where, and I quote:

"Red Bull thinks it "odd" that European Formula 3 title contender Dan Ticktum cannot run in one of its young driver test days because of Formula 1's superlicence points criteria."

Why's he missing superlicence points? For this little episode - https://www.autosport.com/national/news/121941/tic...

Now, bearing in mind Santino Ferruci has just been fired from his F2 team and dropped by his management agency for a moderately lesser offence, is Horner actually raving? Surely, the whole point of a licence system is to prevent exactly this - a guy who was banned for two years (one suspeneded) for deliberately overtaking flag after flag to then crash into his rival - from going unpunished. You did something dumb and dangerous, and so you have to suffer the consequences, some of which are immediate and some of which may be quite far reaching.

Now all that said, I fully expect the criteria to be waived and Ticktum to test, thereby confirming that F1 is all about the money (as opposed to just 99%). What sort of message would it send to lower formula drivers - commit infractions and provided you're a really good driver, someone will pull the strings and sweep it all away?

Edited for the first link.

Edited by Smitters on Thursday 19th July 12:39

Dynamic Space Wizard

839 posts

76 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Smitters said:
I've just been reading the Autosport story (https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137508/red-bull-annoyed-by-ticktum-test-block) where, and I quote:

"Red Bull thinks it "odd" that European Formula 3 title contender Dan Ticktum cannot run in one of its young driver test days because of Formula 1's superlicence points criteria."

Why's he missing superlicence points? For this little episode - https://www.autosport.com/national/news/121941/tic...

Now, bearing in mind Santino Ferruci has just been fired from his F2 team and dropped by his management agency for a moderately lesser offence, is Horner actually raving? Surely, the whole point of a licence system is to prevent exactly this - a guy who was banned for two years (one suspeneded) for deliberately overtaking flag after flag to then crash into his rival - from going unpunished. You did something dumb and dangerous, and so you have to suffer the consequences, some of which are immediate and some of which may be quite far reaching.

Now all that said, I fully expect the criteria to be waived and Ticktum to test, thereby confirming that F1 is all about the money (as opposed to just 99%). What sort of message would it send to lower formula drivers - commit infractions and provided you're a really good driver, someone will pull the strings and sweep it all away?
Why don't they just ban him completely?

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

124 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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I guess it depends on the sanctioning bodies idea of the punishment fitting the crime.

Do you let them get away with murder or hang them for stealing a silk handkerchief? Or any of the gamut of options in between.

What would be a proportionate response to his infraction?

Smitters

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3,590 posts

129 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Vocal Minority said:
I guess it depends on the sanctioning bodies idea of the punishment fitting the crime.

Do you let them get away with murder or hang them for stealing a silk handkerchief? Or any of the gamut of options in between.

What would be a proportionate response to his infraction?
That's just it - I think the ban was proportional. A byproduct of the ban is that he lacks the licence points to test in F1 because he was forced to sit out a season. That's the longer, secondary impact of the punishment - make him stay in the lower formulas for longer to learn his craft and demonstrate he's got judgement as sound as his un-banned peers.

I object to Horner's view. It's not odd to me, it makes perfect sense. But then it's not going to cost me money.

ELUSIVEJIM

8,212 posts

123 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Sounds like he needs to be in a secure unit and not a secure cockpit.


Podie

46,432 posts

247 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Smitters said:
Why's he missing superlicence points? For this little episode - https://www.autosport.com/national/news/121941/tic...
Wow.

Kraken

1,710 posts

172 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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I thought at the time he was lucky to get an opportunity to get his license back at all. I've heard of club racers getting ten year or life bans for less.

It's his own fault he doesn't have the points so tough cheese.

Vaud

42,506 posts

127 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Kraken said:
I thought at the time he was lucky to get an opportunity to get his license back at all. I've heard of club racers getting ten year or life bans for less.

It's his own fault he doesn't have the points so tough cheese.
Quite. He is lucky to have a license at all.

2fast748

854 posts

167 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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I did wonder if his past would catch up with him so to speak. Horner likes a good whine so the 2 are perfect company. I think his ban was pretty lenient all things considered.

Fonz

361 posts

156 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Smitters said:
That's just it - I think the ban was proportional. A byproduct of the ban is that he lacks the licence points to test in F1 because he was forced to sit out a season. That's the longer, secondary impact of the punishment - make him stay in the lower formulas for longer to learn his craft and demonstrate he's got judgement as sound as his un-banned peers.

I object to Horner's view. It's not odd to me, it makes perfect sense. But then it's not going to cost me money.
+1, well said. If you cannot do the time...

telecat

8,525 posts

213 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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He's served the time and the guy is a pretty good and balanced driver these days. His response to Prema's accusations was rather more mature than the accusation. As it happens He's doing Euro F3 and Collard was commentating the DTM at the same round. As it stood watching the MSA Formula that year I was surprised Collard wasn't nerfed off the track more.

The Moose

21,232 posts

181 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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Now we know where Vettel learns his tactics wink

Norfolkit

2,391 posts

162 months

Monday 6th August 2018
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Have they changed the rules since Verstappen joined Toro Rosso (I know they changed the age limit), he'd only got a season of Euro F3 under his belt and he didn't win it?

C70R

9,176 posts

76 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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Kraken said:
I've heard of club racers getting ten year or life bans for less.
You have any links or sources for this?

speedysoprano

224 posts

91 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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Waive the rules, put Ticktum in the second Red Bull seat alongside Verstappen, and get some popcorn.

Some Gump

11,781 posts

158 months

Tuesday 7th August 2018
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F1 doesn't need a mentallist like tiktum. i know crashes are interrsting to some, but they make the races more boring. Remember when grosjean used to go fully grosjean every first lap? Would lose 2-3 cars and boom 63 laps of not seeing that midfield battle.

Lando norris deserves an f1 seat.far.far.more, but i realise that he's in the wrong development programme to end up at torro rosso...

Kraken

1,710 posts

172 months

Wednesday 8th August 2018
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C70R said:
You have any links or sources for this?
Marshal in the paddock (most likely Brands but it was a long time ago) a couple of weeks after the incident.

telecat

8,525 posts

213 months

Wednesday 8th August 2018
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Some Gump said:
F1 doesn't need a mentallist like tiktum. i know crashes are interrsting to some, but they make the races more boring. Remember when grosjean used to go fully grosjean every first lap? Would lose 2-3 cars and boom 63 laps of not seeing that midfield battle.

Lando norris deserves an f1 seat.far.far.more, but i realise that he's in the wrong development programme to end up at torro rosso...
Really? Ticktum hasn't got involved despite the Prema team seemingly trying to rile him. He's running as clean as the rest.

Smollet

7,004 posts

162 months

Friday 10th August 2018
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The Moose said:
Now we know where Vettel learns his tactics wink
Yes, the same place Schumacher did. Ayrton Senna. Tbf though Vettel is not in the same league as those two though.

coppice

6,969 posts

116 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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The reek of a lynch mob , nothing like an attack of self righteous outrage . But here's the thing - plenty of racing drivers have misbehaved in the past,and some of them have gone on to great things. Young men do daft things - let him who is without sin and all that....