Dan Ticktum Can't Test - Boohoo or suck it up sunshine?

[TheDeuce]

thegreenhell said:

TheDeuce said:

The whole Ticktum story is a shame tbh. This season, he's genuinely impressed in F2 on merit a fair few times, I and I know others have enjoyed watching him drive. He just can't seem to help saying/doing mind bendingly stupid things..

It's not really a shame, though, is it, except for himself and his family and those who have paid for him to get this far in life. For the rest of us, he'll be instantly forgotten as soon as he moves on. There will be any number of equally-talented, well-funded young drivers who aren't dicks coming up to fill the space he leaves. He hasn't actually achieved anything worthy of being missed.

Harsh but fair sir !!

I was being sympathetic, it's a shame he's let himself down. You're right though - those that fall short are quickly forgotten.

[TheDeuce]

vaud said:

n3il123 said:

I'm guessing that daddy Latiffi wasnt overly happy with the comments and on the basis he is paying st loads for his son to drive ...

Or just Williams thought he had crossed a line, disrespecting his own team... would be a straightforward contractual breach.

On that point Claire flogged him the seat along with several other ancillary drivers when the writing was on the wall regards the finances of the team, she was basically desperate. He should have been clever enough to realise the new owners are not quite so desperate and unlikely to have the same level of patience/blind eye for him and his antics.

[DFLR]

A young man with ideas above his station.

[DrDeAtH]

Who really cares?

[TheDeuce]

DrDeAtH said:

Who really cares?

Those of us that invest time watching the feeder series' to see who is up and coming tend to care.. or at least find it interesting to watch and discuss a drivers story on the road to F1.

[freedman]

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

great talent, low brain power and an ability to misjudge pretty much everything. He's the 21st century's Tommy Byrne.

He’s nowhere near as good as Byrne

[Petrus1983]

freedman said:

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

great talent, low brain power and an ability to misjudge pretty much everything. He's the 21st century's Tommy Byrne.

He’s nowhere near as good as Byrne

I don’t know on what channel but I recently saw a documentary on Byrne - he was instructing in the US - kinda felt sorry for him as his talent was obvious, so too was the other side. Tictum isn’t overly talented but extremely spoilt to the point he feels he can berate others who are actually in F1 - silly.

[SpudLink]

Petrus1983 said:

freedman said:

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

great talent, low brain power and an ability to misjudge pretty much everything. He's the 21st century's Tommy Byrne.

He’s nowhere near as good as Byrne

I don’t know on what channel but I recently saw a documentary on Byrne - he was instructing in the US - kinda felt sorry for him as his talent was obvious, so too was the other side. Tictum isn’t overly talented but extremely spoilt to the point he feels he can berate others who are actually in F1 - silly.

Sounds like ‘Crash and Burn’ on the BBC. Byrne comes across as a bit of an Alex Higgins. That might work when all you need is to turn up with a snooker cue. However if you want a team to provide you with a car to go racing, then you have to be a professional.
I thought it was interesting to read some of the criticism of George Russell in the Hungarian GP thread. Apparently there are people who dislike him because he is the exact opposite of Ticktum. Says and does the right thing on all occasions, which seems to rub some people the wrong way.

[Frimley111R]

HustleRussell said:

His parents must be so pissed off, it takes so much money and commitment to get your kid where Ticktum is, even if talented- and he has repeatedly squandered every opportunity. I don’t know where he gets his self importance from, it’s not as though he has shone in Formula 2.

If you have a ton of cash and throw it at your kid, well that's easy. However, your job as a parent is to bring your child up to be a good adult human being. They probably treated him like a little god and as a result he turned into a spoilt prick. His parents have themselves to blame as much as him.

[paulguitar]

SpudLink said:

I thought it was interesting to read some of the criticism of George Russell in the Hungarian GP thread. Apparently there are people who dislike him because he is the exact opposite of Ticktum. Says and does the right thing on all occasions, which seems to rub some people the wrong way.

I think Imola did George some damage, his attitude there came as a shock to many I think, and not a pleasant one.

[Petrus1983]

paulguitar said:

I think Imola did George some damage, his attitude there came as a shock to many I think, and not a pleasant one.

Agreed. I imagine Toto had a word with GR after that.

[kiseca]

Frimley111R said:

HustleRussell said:

His parents must be so pissed off, it takes so much money and commitment to get your kid where Ticktum is, even if talented- and he has repeatedly squandered every opportunity. I don’t know where he gets his self importance from, it’s not as though he has shone in Formula 2.

If you have a ton of cash and throw it at your kid, well that's easy. However, your job as a parent is to bring your child up to be a good adult human being. They probably treated him like a little god and as a result he turned into a spoilt prick. His parents have themselves to blame as much as him.

That's the problem. While I definitely prefer your assertion, in reality the job of a parent is to make sure their child survives long enough to reproduce and make sure their own kids survive long enough to reproduce. That's it.

Everything else is down to individual goals, morals, ambition, social influence and law. IMO the only built in, unchangeable, permanent objective for any human being is the survival of the human race. We don't need to live to be 80 to do that, or live kindly. However, all that free time we have now that we don't have to fight hyenas off for our lunch would be much more pleasant if there were fewer spoilt pricks in the world! And actually maybe way back then, being a prick was rather more of a threat to one's own survival.

Sorry, I digress. As you were.

[Frimley111R]

paulguitar said:

SpudLink said:

I thought it was interesting to read some of the criticism of George Russell in the Hungarian GP thread. Apparently there are people who dislike him because he is the exact opposite of Ticktum. Says and does the right thing on all occasions, which seems to rub some people the wrong way.

I think Imola did George some damage, his attitude there came as a shock to many I think, and not a pleasant one.

TBH I had to think back to what you were talking about. To me it just seemed that he was annoyed about being taken off, heat of the moment stuff that passed quickly. All driver's are passionate but DT is next level 'passionate'. Look at what a dick Max made of himself at the British Grand Prix.

[mat205125]

Frimley111R said:

Look at what a dick Max made of himself at the British Grand Prix.

In what way?

[shtu]

Frimley111R said:

To me it just seemed that he was annoyed about being taken off, heat of the moment stuff that passed quickly. All driver's are passionate but DT is next level 'passionate'.

And team owners have their pick of many equally-fast drivers, some of whom have learned to not behave like a dick, endanger bystanders, and make rude comments about teammates. Heat of the moment is a poor excuse - every race from karting upwards is full of heat, and moments.

Why would anyone give themselves the hassle and possible reputation damage? It's not even like he has oligarch-level wealth behind him to buy a driver's seat in a back-running team.

[Frimley111R]

mat205125 said:

In what way?

Crying that it wasn't appropriate that LH should be celebrating while he was in hospital despite the fact there was nothing wrong with him. I'm sure he regrets that Tweet now but it shows that all drivers can get a bit emotionally unstable at times.

[Smollet]

Frimley111R said:

mat205125 said:

In what way?

Crying that it wasn't appropriate that LH should be celebrating while he was in hospital despite the fact there was nothing wrong with him. I'm sure he regrets that Tweet now but it shows that all drivers can get a bit emotionally unstable at times.

I can’t recall Jim Clark being emotionally unstable or Keke Rosberg or…….,

[Smollet]

freedman said:

Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

great talent, low brain power and an ability to misjudge pretty much everything. He's the 21st century's Tommy Byrne.

He’s nowhere near as good as Byrne

Very few were. What a waste.

[kiseca]

Frimley111R said:

mat205125 said:

In what way?

Crying that it wasn't appropriate that LH should be celebrating while he was in hospital despite the fact there was nothing wrong with him. I'm sure he regrets that Tweet now but it shows that all drivers can get a bit emotionally unstable at times.

I'm not sure he regrets it because he repeated it in an interview shown on the Hungarian GP footage. I'm pretty sure he was in a race suit at the time as well so I'm also pretty sure it was at some time during the Hungarian GP weekend. They also referred to a convo he'd had with Lewis, so I dunno. I find it quite a narcissistic attitude to be honest. He's not allowed to celebrate because I'm sore. He should be thinking about me, not about his success (which I doubt Max was thinking about at all). He's get a very warped view of the world with him firmly at the centre of it, and I know that's not unusual in formula 1 drivers but I think he's extreme even by that standard, and I don't think he has a clue that he does that.

[entropy]

To be fair he seems to regret or at least move on from it since whereas Horner, et al pushing for further punishment for Lewis coming into the Hungarian GP weekend.