Dan Ticktum Can't Test - Boohoo or suck it up sunshine?
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Deesee said:
He is blindingly quick
Perfect match for Williams then 
Seriously though, F1 drivers spend a great deal of time tempering their speed to go faster overall. I admit I haven't watched ticktum all that closely but when I have, I'd say the speed he displays is quite often ill advised in it's delivery. Could Williams have found a better development driver if it weren't for their financial issues? Yes, I think so.
Drumroll said:
I am sorry, but as far as I am concerned Dan Ticktum doesn't deserve to be on the race track.
Not in a public form of motor sport at least. I'm sure he's a nice enough lad and he has talent... But there are better talents available and also talent that hasn't already been employed by a top F1 team program and then dropped, or who hasn't been involved in on-track headline raising upsets already.He has talent, he deserves to be on track - probably in a different discipline where he can start afresh and perhaps display new skills. As for Williams taking him on... It's just £££. It has to be.
Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 17th December 22:08
skinny said:
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
He is blindingly quick
I'd say the speed he displays is quite often ill advised in it's delivery. Edited by skinny on Wednesday 18th December 14:45
He's proved he's a liability to other cars as he's capable of losing control of himself. He'd be fine if he went off to do some form of time trial motorsport, but not wheel to wheel racing - the other drivers don't deserve to have that risk imposed on them in my view.
TheDeuce said:
skinny said:
TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
He is blindingly quick
I'd say the speed he displays is quite often ill advised in it's delivery. Edited by skinny on Wednesday 18th December 14:45
He's proved he's a liability to other cars as he's capable of losing control of himself. He'd be fine if he went off to do some form of time trial motorsport, but not wheel to wheel racing - the other drivers don't deserve to have that risk imposed on them in my view.
Are we writing him off because he saw red and deliberately crashed into an opponent under safety car conditions when he was 15/16 years old? Vettel did the same thing and he was a 4 time WDC at the time.
Or is it because he accused Mick Schumacher's team (Prema?) of cheating when they found some extra speed? Verstappen did the same to Ferrari this year.
Does anyone think that Vettel or Verstappen don’t deserve their place in F1?
Or is it because he accused Mick Schumacher's team (Prema?) of cheating when they found some extra speed? Verstappen did the same to Ferrari this year.
Does anyone think that Vettel or Verstappen don’t deserve their place in F1?
sandman77 said:
Are we writing him off because he saw red and deliberately crashed into an opponent under safety car conditions when he was 15/16 years old? Vettel did the same thing and he was a 4 time WDC at the time.
Or is it because he accused Mick Schumacher's team (Prema?) of cheating when they found some extra speed? Verstappen did the same to Ferrari this year.
Does anyone think that Vettel or Verstappen don’t deserve their place in F1?
Did you actually see what he did? He could have killed someone, it’s not remotely comparable with anything Vettel has ever done. Or is it because he accused Mick Schumacher's team (Prema?) of cheating when they found some extra speed? Verstappen did the same to Ferrari this year.
Does anyone think that Vettel or Verstappen don’t deserve their place in F1?
Or anyone else for that matter.
sandman77 said:
Are we writing him off because he saw red and deliberately crashed into an opponent under safety car conditions when he was 15/16 years old? Vettel did the same thing and he was a 4 time WDC at the time.
Or is it because he accused Mick Schumacher's team (Prema?) of cheating when they found some extra speed? Verstappen did the same to Ferrari this year.
Does anyone think that Vettel or Verstappen don’t deserve their place in F1?
Vettel did it in a moment of blind rage - still not acceptable but in that moment he thought Lewis had done to him the equivalent of what he did back. Ignoring flags and negotiating your way past ten other cars isn't 'a moment' it's a hell bent desire for revenge that will not cease until revenge is had. Why in the time between deciding to go a bit mad and actually causing a crash did he not have time to catch himself and take control? Even at local motorsport level anyone who did that sort of thing would be mud. No one wants to race wheel to wheel with a person known to flip out and then embark on a determined effort to cause an incident.Or is it because he accused Mick Schumacher's team (Prema?) of cheating when they found some extra speed? Verstappen did the same to Ferrari this year.
Does anyone think that Vettel or Verstappen don’t deserve their place in F1?
All the efforts to make F1 safe.. the most dangerous thing is a driver like that. On the other hand, I don't like to write anyone off... If he can do a clean and successful F2 season and also be in an unfair incident and not react poorly as a result.. I'd start to feel differently perhaps. So, let's see.
I agree with deesee about his talent and potential, I just don't agree his future in F1 is certain, as I'm sure anyone who could give him a seat will be very wary.
vaud said:
Drumroll said:
I am sorry, but as far as I am concerned Dan Ticktum doesn't deserve to be on the race track.
Agreed. A "moment of madness" maybe, but not fit for F1. And that is being mild.Minor indiscretions can be forgiven, what Tantrum did was a major infraction.
With lives sadly still being lost in top flight single seaters (RIP Antoine Hubert), would you want to be on the same grid as this petulant muppet?
Also, it doesn’t matter how bloody quick he is if he can’t respect the safety rules.
sandman77 said:
Are we writing him off because he saw red and deliberately crashed into an opponent under safety car conditions when he was 15/16 years old? Vettel did the same thing and he was a 4 time WDC at the time.
Or is it because he accused Mick Schumacher's team (Prema?) of cheating when they found some extra speed? Verstappen did the same to Ferrari this year.
Does anyone think that Vettel or Verstappen don’t deserve their place in F1?
I’m writing him off because he’s a Or is it because he accused Mick Schumacher's team (Prema?) of cheating when they found some extra speed? Verstappen did the same to Ferrari this year.
Does anyone think that Vettel or Verstappen don’t deserve their place in F1?
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REALIST123 said:
Did you actually see what he did? He could have killed someone, it’s not remotely comparable with anything Vettel has ever done.
Or anyone else for that matter.
Actually I didn’t, I did try searching for it but I’m guessing the whole incident wasn’t caught on camera. Or anyone else for that matter.
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All the efforts to make F1 safe.. the most dangerous thing is a driver like that. On the other hand, I don't like to write anyone off... If he can do a clean and successful F2 season and ........
So he is too dangerous to be in F1 but its OK for him to be unleashed among the F2 grid. Are F2 drivers less valued as people?
sandman77 said:
REALIST123 said:
Did you actually see what he did? He could have killed someone, it’s not remotely comparable with anything Vettel has ever done.
Or anyone else for that matter.
Actually I didn’t, I did try searching for it but I’m guessing the whole incident wasn’t caught on camera. Or anyone else for that matter.
Well after a first lap collision with Ricky Collard which saw TitTum at the back of the field, during a safety car period because other incidents he ploughed past the field under safety car conditions and deliberately crashed into Collard taking them both out. They crashed off yards from a number of marshals recovering other cars. A few seconds later he may well have skittled them. They saw what was happening and ran for it.
Then he hopped out of his car and ran off the track climbing a locked gate back into the paddock to hide.
If you search YT for him and Ricky Collard there is footage of the actual crash and the marshals running for it.
The MSA said:
“The incident, after which both Ticktum and Collard eventually retired, has since been reviewed at a meeting of the Motor Sports Council National Court.
In his report court chairman Guy Spollon described how Ticktum, after a first-lap collision with Collard had dropped him to the back of the field, passed 13 yellow flags, four double-yellow flags, two white flags and 15 safety-car boards to catch back up to his rival during the safety-car period.
Spollon labelled Ticktum's actions "totally irresponsible and reprehensible in the extreme".
Still think Vettel’s as bad?
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 18th December 19:22
REALIST123 said:
Ah, OK.
Well after a first lap collision with Ricky Collard which saw TitTum at the back of the field, during a safety car period because other incidents he ploughed past the field under safety car conditions and deliberately crashed into Collard taking them both out. They crashed off yards from a number of marshals recovering other cars. A few seconds later he may well have skittled them. They saw what was happening and ran for it.
Then he hopped out of his car and ran off the track climbing a locked gate back into the paddock to hide.
If you search YT for him and Ricky Collard there is footage of the actual crash and the marshals running for it.
The MSA said:
“The incident, after which both Ticktum and Collard eventually retired, has since been reviewed at a meeting of the Motor Sports Council National Court.
In his report court chairman Guy Spollon described how Ticktum, after a first-lap collision with Collard had dropped him to the back of the field, passed 13 yellow flags, four double-yellow flags, two white flags and 15 safety-car boards to catch back up to his rival during the safety-car period.
Spollon labelled Ticktum's actions "totally irresponsible and reprehensible in the extreme".
Still think Vettel’s as bad?
I didn’t realise it was close to marshals on the track. The written report doesn’t make for nice reading either. The guy sounds like a prize asswipe. Well after a first lap collision with Ricky Collard which saw TitTum at the back of the field, during a safety car period because other incidents he ploughed past the field under safety car conditions and deliberately crashed into Collard taking them both out. They crashed off yards from a number of marshals recovering other cars. A few seconds later he may well have skittled them. They saw what was happening and ran for it.
Then he hopped out of his car and ran off the track climbing a locked gate back into the paddock to hide.
If you search YT for him and Ricky Collard there is footage of the actual crash and the marshals running for it.
The MSA said:
“The incident, after which both Ticktum and Collard eventually retired, has since been reviewed at a meeting of the Motor Sports Council National Court.
In his report court chairman Guy Spollon described how Ticktum, after a first-lap collision with Collard had dropped him to the back of the field, passed 13 yellow flags, four double-yellow flags, two white flags and 15 safety-car boards to catch back up to his rival during the safety-car period.
Spollon labelled Ticktum's actions "totally irresponsible and reprehensible in the extreme".
Still think Vettel’s as bad?
Edited by REALIST123 on Wednesday 18th December 19:22
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