Goodbye Fernando...

Goodbye Fernando...

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anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Exige77 said:
The crash gate stink still lingers.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/45459334
Indeed it does, hanging over Alonso's career like his McLaren fiasco (both of them). The thing I could never get my head round with Crashgate was why Piquet agreed to it.... I know the cars are safe, but.....

I still think Alonso must have had an idea of what was going on, but the sport attracts those with a will to win no matter what has to be done so you can't blame him entirely.

Vaud

50,467 posts

155 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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cb1965 said:
The thing I could never get my head round with Crashgate was why Piquet agreed to it.... I know the cars are safe, but.....
Because of an appalling power imbalance in the relationship between his employer, personal manager and Piquet.

His personal manager would be been the best advisor to have him blow the whistle or say "no" and then defend him with the support of the FIA.
His employer should not have asked him to risk his life; failure in management controls and ethics.

Oh, wait a minute, his personal manager and employer were the same person (Flavio) who controlled his career and his future employability. Favio and Pat S were supposed to protect him, not expose him to danger and he had effectively no-one to go to.

Technically he could have gone to the stewards or the FIA but it takes a lot of balls to be a whistleblower, as proven over the years in and out of F1.

There were other rumours at the time but I won't reprint them as they may be libellous and I like PH too much.

LDN

8,911 posts

203 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Vaud said:
cb1965 said:
The thing I could never get my head round with Crashgate was why Piquet agreed to it.... I know the cars are safe, but.....
Because of an appalling power imbalance in the relationship between his employer, personal manager and Piquet.

His personal manager would be been the best advisor to have him blow the whistle or say "no" and then defend him with the support of the FIA.
His employer should not have asked him to risk his life; failure in management controls and ethics.

Oh, wait a minute, his personal manager and employer were the same person (Flavio) who controlled his career and his future employability. Favio and Pat S were supposed to protect him, not expose him to danger and he had effectively no-one to go to.

Technically he could have gone to the stewards or the FIA but it takes a lot of balls to be a whistleblower, as proven over the years in and out of F1.

There were other rumours at the time but I won't reprint them as they may be libellous and I like PH too much.
You could at least hint at them...

Vaud

50,467 posts

155 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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LDN said:
You could at least hint at them...
Autosport summarised some of them, you can read between the lines.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/78532/briatore-p...

StevieBee

12,882 posts

255 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Vaud said:
LDN said:
You could at least hint at them...
Autosport summarised some of them, you can read between the lines.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/78532/briatore-p...
Remember that. All very odd.

The thing is that whilst all very unsavoury, such relationships aren't illegal - at least in the UK. Dubious perhaps. IIRC, Piquet Jnr was an adult so even if there was some truth to it, then so what? I assume that things in Brazil are slightly different.

Likes Fast Cars

2,770 posts

165 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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amgmcqueen said:
Alonso.....petulant berk who couldn't hack having a competitive teammate, spat his dummy out and then jumped from team to team until there were no bridges left to burn.

Loyalty has its rewards!
This just about sums up the little twerp.

LDN

8,911 posts

203 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Likes Fast Cars said:
amgmcqueen said:
Alonso.....petulant berk who couldn't hack having a competitive teammate, spat his dummy out and then jumped from team to team until there were no bridges left to burn.

Loyalty has its rewards!
This just about sums up the little twerp.
Indeed! A harsh but fair summary.

Exige77

6,518 posts

191 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Exige77 said:
After Mclaren ditching them for renailt, and Fernando slagging them off for the last 2 years it’s hardly a suprise. Rules out a team up with Andretti too...be interesting to see how this situation develops

Sam993

1,302 posts

72 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Exige77 said:
That's still just speculation of media who like to come up with bs to keep the cogwheels turning.

Here's another, much more in-depth and balanced article.

https://www.motorsport.com/indycar/news/why-alonso...

37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Sam993 said:
That's still just speculation of media who like to come up with bs to keep the cogwheels turning.

Here's another, much more in-depth and balanced article.

https://www.motorsport.com/indycar/news/why-alonso...
In depth and an interesting article. With that said, Honda should be chomping at the bit to supply Alonso, purely from a marketing POV...but aren’t, and I don’t see Chevy making much news either. Be interesting to see how it develops.

Personally I’d love to see Alonso in indycar next year, great talent in relatively equal machinery to show what he can or cannot do against the yanks. Personally I don’t think it’s all going to go his way on the track

Exige77

6,518 posts

191 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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He's not the messiah, he’s s very naughty boy !!

Kccv23highliftcam

1,783 posts

75 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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37chevy said:
Sam993 said:
That's still just speculation of media who like to come up with bs to keep the cogwheels turning.

Here's another, much more in-depth and balanced article.

https://www.motorsport.com/indycar/news/why-alonso...
In depth and an interesting article. With that said, Honda should be chomping at the bit to supply Alonso, purely from a marketing POV...but aren’t, and I don’t see Chevy making much news either. Be interesting to see how it develops.

Personally I’d love to see Alonso in indycar next year, great talent in relatively equal machinery to show what he can or cannot do against the yanks. Personally I don’t think it’s all going to go his way on the track



Lonely out there Alonso, ain't it.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Alonso again proved in qualifying that in a Mercedes or a Ferrari he would be a huge title threat.

11th on the grid with that lump.


37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Alonso again proved in qualifying that in a Mercedes or a Ferrari he would be a huge title threat.

11th on the grid with that lump.
Problem is talent is nothing without the right attitude.....

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Gaz. said:
So why is he in that POS Mclaren then?
As I have said before he burnt too many bridges.

But he is from a time many drivers were more like he has been.

Drivers are all PC now and will not say a word about anything.

Schumacher was one who no doubt controlled things and this is what Alonso tried to do.

But put Alonso in that 2018 Ferrari and he would not be making the mess of things Vettel has done again.

CanAm

9,197 posts

272 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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7th place and Best of the Rest in the race! clap

Exige77

6,518 posts

191 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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No wonder no one him.


Vaud

50,467 posts

155 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Exige77 said:
No wonder no one him.

Well to be fair, even the CEO says it's a crap car.

Sam993

1,302 posts

72 months

Monday 17th September 2018
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Exige77 said:
No wonder no one him.

The guy knows how to motivate the team!