F1: Beyond The Grid Podcast

F1: Beyond The Grid Podcast

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HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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rdjohn said:
A gift Murray has, which would have come in handy yesterday, is an ability to excite his viewers when very little action is happening on track.

Croft gets too excited reading the grid order before the start. Mind you Ben Edwards also went a bit bonkers yesterday when Max had a go at Seb. He (Seb) had already telegraphed it and so in reality it was hardly worth getting excited about.

You sometimes wonder if they have watched close racing before.
I won’t defend Crofty but Ben Edwards is a pretty quick chap in a formula ford and has recent race wins in one of the heritage series.

RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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HustleRussell said:
rdjohn said:
A gift Murray has, which would have come in handy yesterday, is an ability to excite his viewers when very little action is happening on track.

Croft gets too excited reading the grid order before the start. Mind you Ben Edwards also went a bit bonkers yesterday when Max had a go at Seb. He (Seb) had already telegraphed it and so in reality it was hardly worth getting excited about.

You sometimes wonder if they have watched close racing before.
I won’t defend Crofty but Ben Edwards is a pretty quick chap in a formula ford and has recent race wins in one of the heritage series.
Yes, they're told to talk like that; that is their job.

entropy

5,403 posts

202 months

Wednesday 17th April 2019
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RobM77 said:
HustleRussell said:
rdjohn said:
A gift Murray has, which would have come in handy yesterday, is an ability to excite his viewers when very little action is happening on track.

Croft gets too excited reading the grid order before the start. Mind you Ben Edwards also went a bit bonkers yesterday when Max had a go at Seb. He (Seb) had already telegraphed it and so in reality it was hardly worth getting excited about.

You sometimes wonder if they have watched close racing before.
I won’t defend Crofty but Ben Edwards is a pretty quick chap in a formula ford and has recent race wins in one of the heritage series.
Yes, they're told to talk like that; that is their job.
It's part and parcel of motorsport - well generally with single seaters. Just as everything settles in to a pattern all of a sudden there's action when you least expect it hence the silly, crazy dramatic change in note and tone.

Anyway, it's Checo this week. All I can say is that prejudices are confirmed: the guy feels entitled to a top F1 seat.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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RobM77 said:
HustleRussell said:
rdjohn said:
A gift Murray has, which would have come in handy yesterday, is an ability to excite his viewers when very little action is happening on track.

Croft gets too excited reading the grid order before the start. Mind you Ben Edwards also went a bit bonkers yesterday when Max had a go at Seb. He (Seb) had already telegraphed it and so in reality it was hardly worth getting excited about.

You sometimes wonder if they have watched close racing before.
I won’t defend Crofty but Ben Edwards is a pretty quick chap in a formula ford and has recent race wins in one of the heritage series.
Yes, they're told to talk like that; that is their job.
Absolutely it's the production team, when Edwards did indy car commentary on Eurosport he was highly technical and not shouty/ wittering about tyres.

entropy

5,403 posts

202 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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markcoznottz said:
Absolutely it's the production team, when Edwards did indy car commentary on Eurosport he was highly technical and not shouty/ wittering about tyres.
He was having oral orgasms over JPM whenever he made car corrections, especially on cold tyres. Ben Edwards hasn't really changed a lot IMO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRdjZ1Pu7wE

Gad-Westy

14,520 posts

212 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Really enjoying these podcasts.

Just started listening to the Alan Jones episode.

There's a man who call a spade a fking spade!

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

182 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Gad-Westy said:
Really enjoying these podcasts.

Just started listening to the Alan Jones episode.

There's a man who call a spade a fking spade!
Jones comes across as a bit of a tosser, in my view - he admits as much when talking about his dealing with the teams, particularly Ferrari. And as for that old motor racing driver's view that "no-one gives a damn about the car, it's all about the driver" ........ well, he would say that, wouldn't he? Jones is busy saying that wings aren't necessary, it should be all about mechanical grip ... remind me, which car did he win his world championship with? Might it be the Williams FW07B - the ground effect car of its day?





Gad-Westy

14,520 posts

212 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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longblackcoat said:
Gad-Westy said:
Really enjoying these podcasts.

Just started listening to the Alan Jones episode.

There's a man who call a spade a fking spade!
Jones comes across as a bit of a tosser, in my view - he admits as much when talking about his dealing with the teams, particularly Ferrari. And as for that old motor racing driver's view that "no-one gives a damn about the car, it's all about the driver" ........ well, he would say that, wouldn't he? Jones is busy saying that wings aren't necessary, it should be all about mechanical grip ... remind me, which car did he win his world championship with? Might it be the Williams FW07B - the ground effect car of its day?
I've listened to a bit more of it now. He's definitely erm, a little abrasive. Could not be more Australian if he tried.

To be fair to him on the wings bit I'm sure a lot would agree that the sport as a whole could be better with less aero dependance but you'd still want to be in the fastest car possible.

Would love to have been a fly on the wall for some the discussions between Patrick Head and AJ, must have been close to violence!

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

182 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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Gad-Westy said:
I've listened to a bit more of it now. He's definitely erm, a little abrasive. Could not be more Australian if he tried.

To be fair to him on the wings bit I'm sure a lot would agree that the sport as a whole could be better with less aero dependance but you'd still want to be in the fastest car possible.

Would love to have been a fly on the wall for some the discussions between Patrick Head and AJ, must have been close to violence!
Oh, the argument about wing & aero is a fair one, it's just a bit of an irony that the man who won his only championship in the most aero car you could possibly imagine is complaining about it. Jones was a very good driver, no doubt about it, and he deserves respect for that, but I'd have hated to have to deal with him. And he seemed to feud with just about everyone; he could have made much more of his career if he'd not fallen out with so many people.

Gad-Westy

14,520 posts

212 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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longblackcoat said:
Gad-Westy said:
I've listened to a bit more of it now. He's definitely erm, a little abrasive. Could not be more Australian if he tried.

To be fair to him on the wings bit I'm sure a lot would agree that the sport as a whole could be better with less aero dependance but you'd still want to be in the fastest car possible.

Would love to have been a fly on the wall for some the discussions between Patrick Head and AJ, must have been close to violence!
Oh, the argument about wing & aero is a fair one, it's just a bit of an irony that the man who won his only championship in the most aero car you could possibly imagine is complaining about it. Jones was a very good driver, no doubt about it, and he deserves respect for that, but I'd have hated to have to deal with him. And he seemed to feud with just about everyone; he could have made much more of his career if he'd not fallen out with so many people.
Does he mention in the interview the episode where he was paid to miss a race through illness?

I'll probably listen to the rest on my way home.

It's quite interesting listening to people like AJ (like him or not) simply because for me, he is from an F1 era that I was too young to know much about and is so different in so many ways to the current set up or even the F1 I grew up with in the 90's.

Edited by Gad-Westy on Wednesday 24th April 16:57

entropy

5,403 posts

202 months

Thursday 25th April 2019
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longblackcoat said:
Oh, the argument about wing & aero is a fair one, it's just a bit of an irony that the man who won his only championship in the most aero car you could possibly imagine is complaining about it. Jones was a very good driver, no doubt about it, and he deserves respect for that, but I'd have hated to have to deal with him. And he seemed to feud with just about everyone; he could have made much more of his career if he'd not fallen out with so many people.
Harsh and dare I say you seemed primed to jump on your hobbyhorse. Listen to the beginning again. When AJ was complaining about aero he was banging on about the cars losing performance in dirty air and not being able to pass. Yes, AJ became WDC in an aero dominant car but this was ground effects era where you could get away with no front wings let alone skinny front wings. It is really no different to MotoGP riders saying they prefer having no rider and aero aids even though they have benefitted from them.

The only issue I had was of him complaining about today's drivers being corporate. Well, is there a contemporary account of how he parked up the Beatrice because he thought it was such a crap car?

I really enjoyed the podcast, warts and all honesty and colourful language.I could listen to him all day but I wouldn't want to live with the guy.

12TS

1,806 posts

209 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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Latest one is James Allison. Fantastic.

He’s very eloquent and enlightening on stuff. The Lewis first meeting was fascinating.

As an Engineer I can also relate to much of the things he talks about.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

195 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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Enjoyed the James Allison one whilst painting the nursery today but, listened to the Alan Jones one at the weekend (whilst still sorting the new nursery!) and in the words of the great man himself, that was fking marvellous!

TheDeuce

21,271 posts

65 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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They really have done an excellent job of lining up some very interesting people since these podcasts began. The simple, casual and chatty presentation is perfect. I'm off to bed to listen to the James Allison one now, I'm hoping he might shed some light on what he thinks Ferrari's struggle to match Mercedes is now. Although if the difference is largely 'him', I suppose he'll skirt that question..

paulguitar

23,104 posts

112 months

Wednesday 8th May 2019
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TheDeuce said:
They really have done an excellent job of lining up some very interesting people since these podcasts began. The simple, casual and chatty presentation is perfect. I'm off to bed to listen to the James Allison one now, I'm hoping he might shed some light on what he thinks Ferrari's struggle to match Mercedes is now. Although if the difference is largely 'him', I suppose he'll skirt that question..
I listened to that one today and enjoyed it very much.



rdjohn

6,135 posts

194 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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TheDeuce said:
They really have done an excellent job of lining up some very interesting people since these podcasts began. The simple, casual and chatty presentation is perfect. I'm off to bed to listen to the James Allison one now, I'm hoping he might shed some light on what he thinks Ferrari's struggle to match Mercedes is now. Although if the difference is largely 'him', I suppose he'll skirt that question..
It is interesting when he describes how Todt put a shield around the operation to protect it from spurious decisions. And how that has been dismantled. That is probably the answer.

But another enlightening interview.

TheDeuce

21,271 posts

65 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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rdjohn said:
It is interesting when he describes how Todt put a shield around the operation to protect it from spurious decisions. And how that has been dismantled. That is probably the answer.

But another enlightening interview.
Yes. I also found it interesting when he pointed out that Ferrari dominance in the 00's was largely down to the fact they had by far the largest budget, and the 'best' driver. If those years were considered wins by default, then I suppose Ferrari haven't had to really battle for a win (and won) since the 80's.

I'm sure that's a view that would ps off most Ferrari fans, and it's of course just a theory, for all anyone knows if another team had had a larger budget, Ferrari might still have won. Still, interesting way to look at it!

These days we have a top 3 teams with massive budget, the top two of whom have the same approx level of budget, yet people say there was more competition in the old days. Allison seems to have an appreciation for how intense the off track battle really is in the sport right now.

entropy

5,403 posts

202 months

Thursday 9th May 2019
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TheDeuce said:
rdjohn said:
It is interesting when he describes how Todt put a shield around the operation to protect it from spurious decisions. And how that has been dismantled. That is probably the answer.

But another enlightening interview.
Yes. I also found it interesting when he pointed out that Ferrari dominance in the 00's was largely down to the fact they had by far the largest budget, and the 'best' driver. If those years were considered wins by default, then I suppose Ferrari haven't had to really battle for a win (and won) since the 80's.

I'm sure that's a view that would ps off most Ferrari fans, and it's of course just a theory, for all anyone knows if another team had had a larger budget, Ferrari might still have won. Still, interesting way to look at it!

These days we have a top 3 teams with massive budget, the top two of whom have the same approx level of budget, yet people say there was more competition in the old days. Allison seems to have an appreciation for how intense the off track battle really is in the sport right now.
He did state what a great organization Scuderia were at that time even though he mentioned budget a couple of times which makes a good soundbite! Who did Allison work for previously? Renault/Lotus who were on a downhill trajectory and trying to punch above their weight, then re-joins Ferrari at their political worst as Dominicalli left because the ongoing backstabbing and interference of Luca DM.

tobinen

9,182 posts

144 months

Friday 10th May 2019
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I loved the well-placed swearing by James Allison, in fact I'm surprised it wasn't beeped out but glad it wasn't. An interesting character.

Hill's was very good as I expected it would be. An eloquent chap and after reading his book, I'm a bigger fan than I already was.

Still to catch up with the Walker, Jones and Perez episodes.

rdjohn

6,135 posts

194 months

Saturday 11th May 2019
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entropy said:
He did state what a great organization Scuderia were at that time even though he mentioned budget a couple of times which makes a good soundbite! Who did Allison work for previously? Renault/Lotus who were on a downhill trajectory and trying to punch above their weight, then re-joins Ferrari at their political worst as Dominicalli left because the ongoing backstabbing and interference of Luca DM.
Under the Genii capital ownership, the Enstone team were as cash strapped as Williams are today, yet still turned out innovative cars that performed OK.

James Allison and Bob Bell were very heavily involved in introducing thermodynamics into the aero / CFD equation and so developed innovations in blown diffusers, forward facing exhausts and harnessing the Coanda effect.