The Official 2018 Singapore Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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wibble cb said:
Hamilton can now afford to not fight say Verstappen for wins, so long as he finishes ahead of Vettel...Just a thought.
That is true and Hamilton is certainly getting wiser.. but you know he'd never give up a fight or a podium place 'just because he could afford to'.I think this season is showing more than ever that when Lewis needs 'it' (that little bit extra that maybe isnt in the car / didnt think was in the car) - He can do it, and obviously loves doing it.
Being a Ferrari fan isn't easy.
wibble cb said:
Hamilton can now afford to not fight say Verstappen for wins, so long as he finishes ahead of Vettel...Just a thought.
Not that comfortable yet. 1 retirement for Hamilton and losing a few points here and there and he could give Vettel the championship. Just carry on driving like he has been doing methinks
37chevy said:
wibble cb said:
Hamilton can now afford to not fight say Verstappen for wins, so long as he finishes ahead of Vettel...Just a thought.
Not that comfortable yet. 1 retirement for Hamilton and losing a few points here and there and he could give Vettel the championship. Just carry on driving like he has been doing methinksHTP99 said:
37chevy said:
wibble cb said:
Hamilton can now afford to not fight say Verstappen for wins, so long as he finishes ahead of Vettel...Just a thought.
Not that comfortable yet. 1 retirement for Hamilton and losing a few points here and there and he could give Vettel the championship. Just carry on driving like he has been doing methinksREALIST123 said:
HTP99 said:
37chevy said:
wibble cb said:
Hamilton can now afford to not fight say Verstappen for wins, so long as he finishes ahead of Vettel...Just a thought.
Not that comfortable yet. 1 retirement for Hamilton and losing a few points here and there and he could give Vettel the championship. Just carry on driving like he has been doing methinkswibble cb said:
REALIST123 said:
HTP99 said:
37chevy said:
wibble cb said:
Hamilton can now afford to not fight say Verstappen for wins, so long as he finishes ahead of Vettel...Just a thought.
Not that comfortable yet. 1 retirement for Hamilton and losing a few points here and there and he could give Vettel the championship. Just carry on driving like he has been doing methinksDeesee said:
The rumour was infact that Hamilton was using an older spec engine in Singapore, as the race pace was known to be slower (so less stress on the PU) so they would not need all the bells and whistles, the latest engine (3rd if the allocation) was already one race fresher than Sebastian’s 3rd allocated, so could actually be 2 races fresher now.
Are you sure about that? I thought they both took new "Spec 3" engines for Spa and hence both "Spec 3" engines are two races old (Spa and Monza)? Hamilton does/did have one "spare" race on his "Spec 2" engine, as Mercedes messed up their quality control and weren't able to introduce it in Canada when Ferrari brought their "Spec 2", Mercedes therefore having to run seven races in a row on their "Spec 1".
So that "spare" race may come in to play if the "Spec 3" units can't cover Spa-Monza-Russia-Japan-USA-Mexico-Brazil-Abu Dhabi (8 races). However, it was always going to the be the case that to manage 21 races on 3 engines equally, you'd need the engines to do seven races each, but Ferrari swapped from "Spec 1" to "Spec 2" after only six races and again "Spec 2" to "Spec 3" after another six.
I was under the impression most teams tend to use an "old" spec for Monaco and Singapore since neither race pushes the engine hard. Monaco will have been "Spec 1" for both of them, so it's possible some of Mercedes sudden advantage was using their "Spec 2" in Singapore while Ferrari reverted to the "Spec 1" to even out the wear on their engine allocation; since Ferrari only had six races on their "Spec 1" it would be logical to use it in Singapore, while Mercedes only had five races on their "Spec 2" but seven on their "Spec 1", thus logical to use the "Spec 2".
It also suggests that in order to avoid pushing the "Spec 3" to eight races, both teams are going to be using "Spec 2" again somewhere. If Mercedes were using their "Spec 2" then Hamilton being able to cruise around turned down to the minimum could be very useful (Ferrari's Spec 2 having been pushed much harder in Canada, when Mercedes were still on Spec 1; and Mercedes Spec 2 having also failed to complete the race distance in Austria while Ferrari's went all the way).
Flooble said:
Are you sure about that? I thought they both took new "Spec 3" engines for Spa and hence both "Spec 3" engines are two races old (Spa and Monza)?
Hamilton does/did have one "spare" race on his "Spec 2" engine, as Mercedes messed up their quality control and weren't able to introduce it in Canada when Ferrari brought their "Spec 2", Mercedes therefore having to run seven races in a row on their "Spec 1".
So that "spare" race may come in to play if the "Spec 3" units can't cover Spa-Monza-Russia-Japan-USA-Mexico-Brazil-Abu Dhabi (8 races). However, it was always going to the be the case that to manage 21 races on 3 engines equally, you'd need the engines to do seven races each, but Ferrari swapped from "Spec 1" to "Spec 2" after only six races and again "Spec 2" to "Spec 3" after another six.
I was under the impression most teams tend to use an "old" spec for Monaco and Singapore since neither race pushes the engine hard. Monaco will have been "Spec 1" for both of them, so it's possible some of Mercedes sudden advantage was using their "Spec 2" in Singapore while Ferrari reverted to the "Spec 1" to even out the wear on their engine allocation; since Ferrari only had six races on their "Spec 1" it would be logical to use it in Singapore, while Mercedes only had five races on their "Spec 2" but seven on their "Spec 1", thus logical to use the "Spec 2".
It also suggests that in order to avoid pushing the "Spec 3" to eight races, both teams are going to be using "Spec 2" again somewhere. If Mercedes were using their "Spec 2" then Hamilton being able to cruise around turned down to the minimum could be very useful (Ferrari's Spec 2 having been pushed much harder in Canada, when Mercedes were still on Spec 1; and Mercedes Spec 2 having also failed to complete the race distance in Austria while Ferrari's went all the way).
This formula is a bit too complex for my tired, old brain.Hamilton does/did have one "spare" race on his "Spec 2" engine, as Mercedes messed up their quality control and weren't able to introduce it in Canada when Ferrari brought their "Spec 2", Mercedes therefore having to run seven races in a row on their "Spec 1".
So that "spare" race may come in to play if the "Spec 3" units can't cover Spa-Monza-Russia-Japan-USA-Mexico-Brazil-Abu Dhabi (8 races). However, it was always going to the be the case that to manage 21 races on 3 engines equally, you'd need the engines to do seven races each, but Ferrari swapped from "Spec 1" to "Spec 2" after only six races and again "Spec 2" to "Spec 3" after another six.
I was under the impression most teams tend to use an "old" spec for Monaco and Singapore since neither race pushes the engine hard. Monaco will have been "Spec 1" for both of them, so it's possible some of Mercedes sudden advantage was using their "Spec 2" in Singapore while Ferrari reverted to the "Spec 1" to even out the wear on their engine allocation; since Ferrari only had six races on their "Spec 1" it would be logical to use it in Singapore, while Mercedes only had five races on their "Spec 2" but seven on their "Spec 1", thus logical to use the "Spec 2".
It also suggests that in order to avoid pushing the "Spec 3" to eight races, both teams are going to be using "Spec 2" again somewhere. If Mercedes were using their "Spec 2" then Hamilton being able to cruise around turned down to the minimum could be very useful (Ferrari's Spec 2 having been pushed much harder in Canada, when Mercedes were still on Spec 1; and Mercedes Spec 2 having also failed to complete the race distance in Austria while Ferrari's went all the way).
Flooble said:
Deesee said:
The rumour was infact that Hamilton was using an older spec engine in Singapore, as the race pace was known to be slower (so less stress on the PU) so they would not need all the bells and whistles, the latest engine (3rd if the allocation) was already one race fresher than Sebastian’s 3rd allocated, so could actually be 2 races fresher now.
Are you sure about that? I thought they both took new "Spec 3" engines for Spa and hence both "Spec 3" engines are two races old (Spa and Monza)? Hamilton does/did have one "spare" race on his "Spec 2" engine, as Mercedes messed up their quality control and weren't able to introduce it in Canada when Ferrari brought their "Spec 2", Mercedes therefore having to run seven races in a row on their "Spec 1".
So that "spare" race may come in to play if the "Spec 3" units can't cover Spa-Monza-Russia-Japan-USA-Mexico-Brazil-Abu Dhabi (8 races). However, it was always going to the be the case that to manage 21 races on 3 engines equally, you'd need the engines to do seven races each, but Ferrari swapped from "Spec 1" to "Spec 2" after only six races and again "Spec 2" to "Spec 3" after another six.
I was under the impression most teams tend to use an "old" spec for Monaco and Singapore since neither race pushes the engine hard. Monaco will have been "Spec 1" for both of them, so it's possible some of Mercedes sudden advantage was using their "Spec 2" in Singapore while Ferrari reverted to the "Spec 1" to even out the wear on their engine allocation; since Ferrari only had six races on their "Spec 1" it would be logical to use it in Singapore, while Mercedes only had five races on their "Spec 2" but seven on their "Spec 1", thus logical to use the "Spec 2".
It also suggests that in order to avoid pushing the "Spec 3" to eight races, both teams are going to be using "Spec 2" again somewhere. If Mercedes were using their "Spec 2" then Hamilton being able to cruise around turned down to the minimum could be very useful (Ferrari's Spec 2 having been pushed much harder in Canada, when Mercedes were still on Spec 1; and Mercedes Spec 2 having also failed to complete the race distance in Austria while Ferrari's went all the way).
Yes both drivers introduced the 3rd pu at Belgium, Im thinking PU no 2 and getting the races in a muddle, and had totally forgotten that the 3rd pu's were in place at Belgium. Apologies to everyone & anyone if any wires crossed on my post.
I forgot to mention this on the thread earlier, but a couple of lap time anomalies really seem to affect the race.
Vettel's first lap out of the pits (and I think he was in clear air) was 4 seconds slower than Verstappen. This terrible lap gave Max the chance to even be near Seb after his pit stop.
And the pace difference between Hamilton and rest of the field after Lewis had cleared the traffic on lap 38. Verstappen got within half a second at one point and Vettel got within 3 seconds. Just a couple of laps later, Max was 4 seconds behind and Seb 8 seconds behind.
Vettel's first lap out of the pits (and I think he was in clear air) was 4 seconds slower than Verstappen. This terrible lap gave Max the chance to even be near Seb after his pit stop.
And the pace difference between Hamilton and rest of the field after Lewis had cleared the traffic on lap 38. Verstappen got within half a second at one point and Vettel got within 3 seconds. Just a couple of laps later, Max was 4 seconds behind and Seb 8 seconds behind.
kambites said:
How did Vettel's out lap compare to everyone else's? I think it was just very hard to turn the tyres on, especially on the Ferrari.
I’m sure his first sector or two were some of the quickest in the race, but then he caught Perez whose times were falling off a cliff and got stuck behind him in sector 3 DanielSan said:
kambites said:
How did Vettel's out lap compare to everyone else's? I think it was just very hard to turn the tyres on, especially on the Ferrari.
I’m sure his first sector or two were some of the quickest in the race, but then he caught Perez whose times were falling off a cliff and got stuck behind him in sector 3 
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