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RB Will said:
. Might do him some good to get off between races and go do some karting or something hopefully get some wins and give himself some confidence back and show him not everything is poo.
I’ve just pictured lando popping down the indoor place and mullering Dave from accounts and Lindsey from HR and being “in your face” as a sports motivation exercise.It’s a strange plan, but it might just work!
Many a great driver had a period of decline before ascending to greatness, Remember Hamilton on 2011?
Jenson Button wrote about it in his autobiography. The essence is that at a young age, you become established in the sport, acquire celebrity status, celebrity friends, wealth and adulation. You forget that you're an F1 driver, the very thing that gives you all these things.
I've no doubt this is what Norris is going through at the moment.
Jenson Button wrote about it in his autobiography. The essence is that at a young age, you become established in the sport, acquire celebrity status, celebrity friends, wealth and adulation. You forget that you're an F1 driver, the very thing that gives you all these things.
I've no doubt this is what Norris is going through at the moment.
Great drive from Norris and lots of orange fans in support 
Remember when Alonso was overtaking the works team drivers with his Mercedes engine ?
How long before Wolff reigns in McLaren's power too ?
Yes we know all customer engines are supposed to be identical.
But surely a customer team beating the Mercedes works team for a protracted period is verboten ?
Remember when Alonso was overtaking the works team drivers with his Mercedes engine ?
How long before Wolff reigns in McLaren's power too ?
Yes we know all customer engines are supposed to be identical.
But surely a customer team beating the Mercedes works team for a protracted period is verboten ?
Bo_apex said:
Great drive from Norris and lots of orange fans in support
Remember when Alonso was overtaking the works team drivers with his Mercedes engine ?
How long before Wolff reigns in McLaren's power too ?
Yes we know all customer engines are supposed to be identical.
But surely a customer team beating the Mercedes works team for a protracted period is verboten ?
The king of mis-direction strikes again. The FIA can test power outputs to conform to a norm for the engine, they must be the same. Just because McLaren design an overall better package does not mean Mercedes can, or will, do anything to stop them. Toto will simply encourage his own team to do better.Remember when Alonso was overtaking the works team drivers with his Mercedes engine ?
How long before Wolff reigns in McLaren's power too ?
Yes we know all customer engines are supposed to be identical.
But surely a customer team beating the Mercedes works team for a protracted period is verboten ?
MustangGT said:
Bo_apex said:
Great drive from Norris and lots of orange fans in support
Remember when Alonso was overtaking the works team drivers with his Mercedes engine ?
How long before Wolff reigns in McLaren's power too ?
Yes we know all customer engines are supposed to be identical.
But surely a customer team beating the Mercedes works team for a protracted period is verboten ?
The king of mis-direction strikes again. The FIA can test power outputs to conform to a norm for the engine, they must be the same. Just because McLaren design an overall better package does not mean Mercedes can, or will, do anything to stop them. Toto will simply encourage his own team to do better.Remember when Alonso was overtaking the works team drivers with his Mercedes engine ?
How long before Wolff reigns in McLaren's power too ?
Yes we know all customer engines are supposed to be identical.
But surely a customer team beating the Mercedes works team for a protracted period is verboten ?
If rumours of Renault becoming another Mercedes customer are true that will extend their influence further along the paddock.
Mercedes engines in 10 cars on the grid including their own.
It's getting a little corporate.
kambites said:
Mclaren produce the engine ECU don't they? Maybe they've hobbled the works Mercedes team. 
Well it's about as likely a Mercedes intentionally sabotaging Mclaren's engines!
It's about as likely as Renault running Mercedes engines Well it's about as likely a Mercedes intentionally sabotaging Mclaren's engines!
If engine manufacturers received some championship points / bonus money, F1 could have greater diversity of suppliers.
It's very closed shop currently.
It's not a closed shop though is it, the sport has been trying to get additional engine manufacturers in for many years, and from 2026 we'll likely have;
Ferrari
Honda
Mercedes
RBPT
and maybe Renault
to supply 10 teams.
Quite a turnaround from the very beginning of the V6TH era when there were fears we could go down to two PU manufacturers.
Ferrari
Honda
Mercedes
RBPT
and maybe Renault
to supply 10 teams.
Quite a turnaround from the very beginning of the V6TH era when there were fears we could go down to two PU manufacturers.
Hustle_ said:
It's not a closed shop though is it, the sport has been trying to get additional engine manufacturers in for many years, and from 2026 we'll likely have;
Ferrari
Honda
Mercedes
RBPT
and maybe Renault
to supply 10 teams.
Quite a turnaround from the very beginning of the V6TH era when there were fears we could go down to two PU manufacturers.
+ Audi soonish too... Ferrari
Honda
Mercedes
RBPT
and maybe Renault
to supply 10 teams.
Quite a turnaround from the very beginning of the V6TH era when there were fears we could go down to two PU manufacturers.
So even if Renault falter, there will still be 5 PU suppliers in the foreseeable future.
If the Andretti attempts ever become successful then we can also look at GM coming onboard for PU supply too IIRC.
Bo_apex said:
Sure. Does the FIA test each engine ? Can they also test for reliability ?
If rumours of Renault becoming another Mercedes customer are true that will extend their influence further along the paddock.
Mercedes engines in 10 cars on the grid including their own.
It's getting a little corporate.
IIRC it is not Mercedes who decide the destination of the engines.If rumours of Renault becoming another Mercedes customer are true that will extend their influence further along the paddock.
Mercedes engines in 10 cars on the grid including their own.
It's getting a little corporate.
Hustle_ said:
It's not a closed shop though is it, the sport has been trying to get additional engine manufacturers in for many years, and from 2026 we'll likely have;
Ferrari
Honda
Mercedes
RBPT
and maybe Renault
to supply 10 teams.
Quite a turnaround from the very beginning of the V6TH era when there were fears we could go down to two PU manufacturers.
Well discounting Renault, 4 is certainly better than 3.Ferrari
Honda
Mercedes
RBPT
and maybe Renault
to supply 10 teams.
Quite a turnaround from the very beginning of the V6TH era when there were fears we could go down to two PU manufacturers.
Adding Audi there will still be less diversity than previous eras.
F1 could encourage independents such as Cosworth with financial incentives.
Like I said, it's a closed shop for manufacturers (RedBull excepted)
Hustle_ said:
Bo_apex said:
Like I said, it's a closed shop for manufacturers (RedBull excepted)
…and like I said, you’re wrong- on the PU side it’s whatever the opposite of a closed shop is. If you were talking about F1 race car constructors you might have a point.
Bo_apex said:
show me the non-manufacturer PU's, aside from RB.
Show me the non-manufacturers who want to make an F1 PU.There is no barrier to entry for anyone to make an F1 PU other than technical ability, money and finding a team willing to use it. Those are high bars, but how could it be any other way when the competitive standard is set by those already competing?
Anyway, that's not Lando's problem to solve.
thegreenhell said:
Bo_apex said:
show me the non-manufacturer PU's, aside from RB.
Show me the non-manufacturers who want to make an F1 PU.There is no barrier to entry for anyone to make an F1 PU other than technical ability, money and finding a team willing to use it. Those are high bars, but how could it be any other way when the competitive standard is set by those already competing?
Anyway, that's not Lando's problem to solve.
It's currently a manufacturers club (+ the mighty RB).
Yes back to Norris, he seems a bit on the fragile side for head-to-heads with Max. Fortunately he won't need to and is likely to deliver a title challenge just by being further up the road
That's unless McLaren suddenly drops off like the other Merc customer team
Bo_apex said:
thegreenhell said:
Bo_apex said:
show me the non-manufacturer PU's, aside from RB.
Show me the non-manufacturers who want to make an F1 PU.There is no barrier to entry for anyone to make an F1 PU other than technical ability, money and finding a team willing to use it. Those are high bars, but how could it be any other way when the competitive standard is set by those already competing?
Anyway, that's not Lando's problem to solve.
It's currently a manufacturers club (+ the mighty RB).
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