Discussion
Blue62 said:
maz8062 said:
I’ve changed my mind - Lando should never have given up the lead allowing OP to win a race and get that spring in his step. OP is a real threat and ultimately has plans to wrestle the number 1 off Lando.
I’ve seen the start of the race on YT. OP should have been defending Lando not overtaking him, which ultimately cost 1 driver position and opened up the win for Ferrari. Yet McLaren are claiming that it was fair racing between 2 number 1 drivers. Are they clueless?
I’ve said it time and time again - unless you’re streets ahead of the competition, like McLaren in 1988 and the Mercs from 2014 to 2021, you can’t have 2 number 1’s in a team. Merc will not win anything with GR & LH and McLaren won’t with Lando and OP. They have to decide or the team with the right approach will take the spoils.
I see your point but I like the racing and pecking orders disrupt that. They’re both young and talented but Lando has to step up and it’s crossed my mind that the team may think Piastri is the better racer, so don’t want to risk upsetting him. They will probably win the constructors so let the drivers sort it out, meanwhile we don’t have to sit through boring processions. I’ve seen the start of the race on YT. OP should have been defending Lando not overtaking him, which ultimately cost 1 driver position and opened up the win for Ferrari. Yet McLaren are claiming that it was fair racing between 2 number 1 drivers. Are they clueless?
I’ve said it time and time again - unless you’re streets ahead of the competition, like McLaren in 1988 and the Mercs from 2014 to 2021, you can’t have 2 number 1’s in a team. Merc will not win anything with GR & LH and McLaren won’t with Lando and OP. They have to decide or the team with the right approach will take the spoils.
Yes, clearly Piastri on the day should have just stayed back behind his slower team-mate to protect him all throughout. Leclerc who correctly gambled on a different strategy and wasn't successfully chased down by the faster Mclaren in the end also somehow would not have been able to win had Norris stayed in front for some mysterious reason. Piastri should also have entirely out of his own goodwill volunteered to bugger his race for the greater glory of Norris because all that matters is that nasty Verstappen doesn't win so anything and everything that can enable that to happen should happen....
Having watched all the interviews today on U Tube, what strikes me is how downbeat both the Mclaren drivers were after the race. Second and third is clearly not enough for them. I wonder how strict the team management is on them.
All the drivers except DR want to come first at all costs, so managing those two young chaps must be tough. I expect OP will be a World Champion one day, less so for LN.
All the drivers except DR want to come first at all costs, so managing those two young chaps must be tough. I expect OP will be a World Champion one day, less so for LN.
I would not be at all surprised if Oscars contract says "while Oscar is mathematically in with a shot at the title, he doesn't have to move over for his team mate"
Hence Zak Browns comments
I often think Will Buxton a buffoon. But he's spot on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thcdl1tVZco
Hence Zak Browns comments
I often think Will Buxton a buffoon. But he's spot on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thcdl1tVZco
BunkMoreland said:
I would not be at all surprised if Oscars contract says "while Oscar is mathematically in with a shot at the title, he doesn't have to move over for his team mate"
Hence Zak Browns comments
I often think Will Buxton a buffoon. But he's spot on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thcdl1tVZco
Nah he's still a buffoon. Hence Zak Browns comments
I often think Will Buxton a buffoon. But he's spot on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thcdl1tVZco
Piastri is following the life lessons of his manager Mark Webber.
Basically Webber is trying to stop Piastri becoming a ‘no2 driver’ by not obeying team orders or at the very least pushing them as far as possible.
Webber is living vicariously through Piastri.
The only difference is that Piastri is world class and can play a long game. But if he pisses his team off he might not get the opportunity.
Basically Webber is trying to stop Piastri becoming a ‘no2 driver’ by not obeying team orders or at the very least pushing them as far as possible.
Webber is living vicariously through Piastri.
The only difference is that Piastri is world class and can play a long game. But if he pisses his team off he might not get the opportunity.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
Piastri is following the life lessons of his manager Mark Webber.
Basically Webber is trying to stop Piastri becoming a ‘no2 driver’ by not obeying team orders or at the very least pushing them as far as possible.
Webber is living vicariously through Piastri.
The only difference is that Piastri is world class and can play a long game. But if he pisses his team off he might not get the opportunity.
The only difference is that Mclaren haven't actually applied team orders to instruct Piastri to play second fiddle this year so he hasn't had a chance to not obey or even push them very much....Basically Webber is trying to stop Piastri becoming a ‘no2 driver’ by not obeying team orders or at the very least pushing them as far as possible.
Webber is living vicariously through Piastri.
The only difference is that Piastri is world class and can play a long game. But if he pisses his team off he might not get the opportunity.
paulguitar said:
Norris is better than Coulthard.
How are you quite so confident in saying that? Coutlhard was not at the level of Hakkinen or Schumacher but he definitely was no slouch either. Anyone who can win races (and more than a few) against the latter is a bloody decent driver. Apart from hammering Ricciardo (which in retrospect now doesn't look all that impressive anymore), what has Norris done to justify your belief that he's 'no Coulthard'.....?
isaldiri said:
paulguitar said:
Norris is better than Coulthard.
How are you quite so confident in saying that? Coutlhard was not at the level of Hakkinen or Schumacher but he definitely was no slouch either. Anyone who can win races (and more than a few) against the latter is a bloody decent driver. Apart from hammering Ricciardo (which in retrospect now doesn't look all that impressive anymore), what has Norris done to justify your belief that he's 'no Coulthard'.....?
isaldiri said:
paulguitar said:
Did Coulthard ever win a race truly on merit?
Are you seriously asking that......? like every one of his F1 races he won in your opinion were handed to him on a plate and not achieved on merit? I'd be damned.... These comparisons are stupid.
In any era there are probably 6 top notch drivers (not an absolute number), another 12-15 somewhere close and a few rent-a-drivers who only get a seat due to their finances.
Coulthard at his peak was a top 6 driver and Norris is definitely now a top 6 driver. Different eras different quality of drivers. Remember the 80's with Prost, Senna, Piquet and Mansell all racing together. Schumacher benefited from only having Kimi and Hakkinen at his level until Alonso came along and blew him away. All difficult to compare. Todays crop (IMO) has Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Russell, Leclere and Norris in that top group with Piastri very close.
In any era there are probably 6 top notch drivers (not an absolute number), another 12-15 somewhere close and a few rent-a-drivers who only get a seat due to their finances.
Coulthard at his peak was a top 6 driver and Norris is definitely now a top 6 driver. Different eras different quality of drivers. Remember the 80's with Prost, Senna, Piquet and Mansell all racing together. Schumacher benefited from only having Kimi and Hakkinen at his level until Alonso came along and blew him away. All difficult to compare. Todays crop (IMO) has Verstappen, Hamilton, Alonso, Russell, Leclere and Norris in that top group with Piastri very close.
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