Lando Norris

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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:

thegreenhell said:

paulguitar said:

Did he win one, in a straight fight, over Hakkinen, with no 'odd' circumstances, or mechanical issues? It's a pretty straightforward question, I'm heading out for an hour so don't have time to remind myself right now. But I will do some reading when I get back, if you can remember a race where he did that I will look it up.

More than once. Enjoy your reading.

2000 French GP springs to mind

Ah yes, a masterclass!

[PhilAsia]

Presuming Ed said:

MustangGT said:

maz8062 said:

732NM said:

Russell, Leclerc and Norris are tier 2 drivers IMHO

Fred has not maintained his level, so drops to that level also.

Max cant race wheel to wheel.

Lewis is head and shoulders above the rest as a racer, he has lost a bit of his raw speed for qualy.

Agree with this - LH should be on 10 x WDC’s having lost 2007, 2016 and 2021 by a whisker.

If Max continues his struggles through the end of this season and next folk will doubt his stock as a hall of famer, I mean the man has 60 race wins. How did that happen?

Lando is slightly ahead of Russell & Charles in my view. I’d out him on a level with Max.

Also agree, only one top tier driver at the moment. Quite a few tier 2, Alonso, Norris, Piastri, LeClerc, Sainz, Russell and Albon come to mind. Almost tier 2 - Verstappen, extremely fast, but very fragile. Tier 3 we have Ocon, Gasly, Bottas, probably Hulkenburg and maybe Stroll and Perez slightly lower level. Forget the rest.

Is this a joke site now? Russell, Lando and Leclerc and top draw and to suggest Max is sub tier 2, give your head a wobble. Any team would fight for all those drivers and if Max became available even Ferrari would consider replacing Leclerc or Hamilton to fit him in.

Too many people suggest Lando is past it because Piastri's had a better race or Russell's crap because his cars too light or Leclerc's not world class because he's a little emotional.

I read it as Max is above tier 2, but not quite 1. Which I would agree with. If he became less tempestuous, more sportsmanlike and level-headed he would be a great tier 1.

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Wills2 said:

You can't put Norris or Russell in the same camp as Alonso, that's silly, they have yet to prove themselves capable of reaching his achievements regardless of where he is or isn't on the scale today.

No you can’t put those drivers in the same camp as Alonso because Alonso is a cheating little .

[isaldiri]

Blib said:

So? That's still true. Mclaren haven't felt that Norris justified them wholly sacrificing Piastri and demanding he rolls over for Norris every weekend just yet. what was said in Hungary wasn't a promise to immediately start helping him after all.

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Wills2 said:

One driver that doesn't get the recognition he deserves is Rosberg, he beat the best, at his best, in the same car now that was a feat.

Absolutely! Gets my vote all day long! Eclipsed Schumi in every measurable area over three seasons, as well as making Lewis have to dig deep.

[Blib]

isaldiri said:

Blib said:

So? That's still true. Mclaren haven't felt that Norris justified them wholly sacrificing Piastri and demanding he rolls over for Norris every weekend just yet. what was said in Hungary wasn't a promise to immediately start helping him after all.

Your boy's so lucky that that's Mclaren's take on it.

[isaldiri]

Blib said:

Your boy's so lucky that that's Mclaren's take on it.

Sorry, who exactly is 'my boy'.....?

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Blib said:

isaldiri said:

Blib said:

So? That's still true. Mclaren haven't felt that Norris justified them wholly sacrificing Piastri and demanding he rolls over for Norris every weekend just yet. what was said in Hungary wasn't a promise to immediately start helping him after all.

Your boy's so lucky that that's Mclaren's take on it.

no, Lando's lucky McLaren didn't tell him to stop being a spoiled little turd. They were switched to assist Lando - he owed the place back, and could easily have won, had he given it back when asked. He was daft that day.

[Blib]

isaldiri said:

Blib said:

Your boy's so lucky that that's Mclaren's take on it.

Sorry, who exactly is 'my boy'.....?

No need to apologise.

[isaldiri]

Blib said:

isaldiri said:

Blib said:

Your boy's so lucky that that's Mclaren's take on it.

Sorry, who exactly is 'my boy'.....?

No need to apologise.

Well, I am rather confused by your use of 'your boy' above so I'd ask again given you chose not to answer - who are you referring to?

[732NM]

grumpynuts said:

I think Piastri is a better bet for a drivers championship than Norris and Norris has worked it out.Piastri is only in his 2nd season of F1 and the last few (5 i think) races has scored more points than anyone else.That tells me he has found his feet and worked out how to win in an F1 car.Apart from a brave and lucky decision by Ferrari last weekend, Piastri had everyone covered and dove an excellent race, he showed better race craft than I've seen from Norris so far.
I think Mclaren have also worked out that Piastri is their ticket to the WDC not Norris.Next season will see Piastri as WDC, and I'm a Brit, so am not going on nationality or favouritism, I'd love to see George Russell as WDC and if Merc get the car sorted, that could be a possibility next year too.
This year i think Max will scrape the WDC and McLaren will bag the WCC.

Lewis will be WDC next year.

[maz8062]

grumpynuts said:

I think Piastri is a better bet for a drivers championship than Norris and Norris has worked it out.Piastri is only in his 2nd season of F1 and the last few (5 i think) races has scored more points than anyone else.That tells me he has found his feet and worked out how to win in an F1 car.Apart from a brave and lucky decision by Ferrari last weekend, Piastri had everyone covered and dove an excellent race, he showed better race craft than I've seen from Norris so far.
I think Mclaren have also worked out that Piastri is their ticket to the WDC not Norris.Next season will see Piastri as WDC, and I'm a Brit, so am not going on nationality or favouritism, I'd love to see George Russell as WDC and if Merc get the car sorted, that could be a possibility next year too.
This year i think Max will scrape the WDC and McLaren will bag the WCC.

Mate, what are you going on about? I’ve been watching F1 for over 40 years and can’t remember a driver get beaten comprehensively by his team mate 2 seasons on the trot to then bounce back and turn things around as you suggest. Ok Nico did it in 2016 and then promptly retired washed out.

OP is currently driving with freedom - he has nothing to lose, while Lando is perhaps overthinking the opportunity of his first WDC. They’re both in different places, but on balance, over 2 seasons, Lando has the measure of OP convincingly.

In F1, if you’re fast you’re fast from the off. They don’t need 3 seasons to be fast - do you think Lando has peaked? If OP gets faster so will Lando.

There’s currently a false narrative that somehow OP is faster than Lando. Nonsense.

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Wills2 said:

You can't put Norris or Russell in the same camp as Alonso, that's silly, they have yet to prove themselves capable of reaching his achievements regardless of where he is or isn't on the scale today.

No you can’t put those drivers in the same camp as Alonso because Alonso is a cheating little .

When did he cheat?

[HTP99]

PhilAsia said:

Wills2 said:

One driver that doesn't get the recognition he deserves is Rosberg, he beat the best, at his best, in the same car now that was a feat.

Absolutely! Gets my vote all day long! Eclipsed Schumi in every measurable area over three seasons, as well as making Lewis have to dig deep.

Mmm....he came out on top against Hamilton, just, but had to put his private and family life on hold, that year he lived and breathed F1 and nothing else.

Yes he came out on top over Schumacher but Schumacher was from a different time, he was used to unlimited testing and being the undisputed no.1, he came back to very different terms.

Edited by HTP99 on Wednesday 4th September 20:24

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732NM said:

grumpynuts said:

I think Piastri is a better bet for a drivers championship than Norris and Norris has worked it out.Piastri is only in his 2nd season of F1 and the last few (5 i think) races has scored more points than anyone else.That tells me he has found his feet and worked out how to win in an F1 car.Apart from a brave and lucky decision by Ferrari last weekend, Piastri had everyone covered and dove an excellent race, he showed better race craft than I've seen from Norris so far.
I think Mclaren have also worked out that Piastri is their ticket to the WDC not Norris.Next season will see Piastri as WDC, and I'm a Brit, so am not going on nationality or favouritism, I'd love to see George Russell as WDC and if Merc get the car sorted, that could be a possibility next year too.
This year i think Max will scrape the WDC and McLaren will bag the WCC.

Lewis will be WDC next year.

I absolutely agree with the post . My view precisely. I don't agree Lewis Hamilton will be WDC next year . I don't think he will be again in his racing career in F1. He is done .
McLaren have absolutely settled on OP as the future and he has well and truly shown his skill maturity and class in the car and out . He is a ruthless chap to , unlike LN.

[HTP99]

I've said it on previous threads, the next non Max and Lewis WC will be Oscar Piastri.

[rallycross]

HTP99 said:

I've said it on previous threads, the next non Max and Lewis WC will be Oscar Piastri.

I think so too but as usual will depend on having the best car.

I also think having OP as team mate will push Lando to develop that single minded selfish mindset needed to win the WC ( he’s already fast enough just needs that Senna edge).

[Forester1965]

I don't agree. He falls asleep too often mid race. He won't ever be WDC.

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DOCG said:

Likes Fast Cars said:

Wills2 said:

You can't put Norris or Russell in the same camp as Alonso, that's silly, they have yet to prove themselves capable of reaching his achievements regardless of where he is or isn't on the scale today.

No you can’t put those drivers in the same camp as Alonso because Alonso is a cheating little .

When did he cheat?

When did he not cheat? Lying double crossing cheating POS.

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maz8062 said:

Mate, what are you going on about? I’ve been watching F1 for over 40 years and can’t remember ….

Old git!