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RB Will said:
Given the last 2 races, Monza he let his direct championship rival through with no drama and this weekend did a good clean overtake off the start leaving Russel plenty of room, had multiple chances to sling one up the inside of or just crash into his main championship rival while behind him, overtaken by Russel with no drama, overtaken by main championship rival in the dying moments of the race with no drama.
Given that, if he is willing to stand by his words then I can only assume it comes from some sort of blind hatred, or at best outdated views, rather than reasoned thought or honest appraisal of what Max is actually doing.
Okay, so Verstappen has had a run of four races now without an unnecessary collision. Very impressive, but it's not 'blind hatred' to be aware that his wheel-to-wheel record is (to be very kind) a bit patchy. Given that, if he is willing to stand by his words then I can only assume it comes from some sort of blind hatred, or at best outdated views, rather than reasoned thought or honest appraisal of what Max is actually doing.
Maxdecel said:
PhilAsia said:
......many/most peoples' preference to see close race-craft finesse rather than move-or-we-crash bumper cars.
Not F1 but something like this Phil ? Tried to timestamp but failed FFWD to 54:00 though tbf the race is good.Some of the best racing...
Muzzer79 said:
ThingsBehindTheSun said:
BunkMoreland said:
Being a champion is a mindset. When you view your opposition as friends you'll never push the limits. Its why Max was quite happy to move in the braking zone and squeeze Norris.
Exactly this, all great champions have the same mindset, they will do whatever it takes to be world champion. Lando is one of the drivers who I feel when push comes to shove wouldn't run someone off the road to be world champion whereas someone like Verstappen, Senna or Schumacher clearly would.There's nothing wrong with being ruthless and having a single-minded attitude to racing. Nico Rosberg is perhaps a good example of one who stuck single-mindedly to the task and pushed himself to the maximum to win.
But I think it's different for different drivers - this generation seem a lot more 'chummy' than previous but that's how they like to do it.
Great watch.ThingsBehindTheSun said:
Exactly this, all great champions have the same mindset, they will do whatever it takes to be world champion. Lando is one of the drivers who I feel when push comes to shove wouldn't run someone off the road to be world champion whereas someone like Verstappen, Senna or Schumacher clearly would.
Leclec is another one who I think is just too nice and fair to ever be world champion.
There was nothing nice or fair in his defence of his first Monza win. He was quite prepared to run Lewis off the road.Leclec is another one who I think is just too nice and fair to ever be world champion.
Pity it was later discovered the engine was a cheater, but he kept that win.
Anyone else here thinking, like Hungary, Lando played the team game, gifted Oscar another win? ‘Amazing overtake’ under DRS…. Piastri normally finishes a rather significant delta behind Lando. Lando held Perez up so OP could win. Let’s see what happens in Singapore. Will OP return any compliments? Not sure he will. If I were Lando i’d focus on the WDC and let McLaren’s bungling political ineptitude machinations confound them.
Diderot said:
Anyone else here thinking, like Hungary, Lando played the team game, gifted Oscar another win? ‘Amazing overtake’ under DRS…. Piastri normally finishes a rather significant delta behind Lando. Lando held Perez up so OP could win. Let’s see what happens in Singapore. Will OP return any compliments? Not sure he will. If I were Lando i’d focus on the WDC and let McLaren’s bungling political ineptitude machinations confound them.
Not sure if you are serious or trolling!Diderot said:
Anyone else here thinking, like Hungary, Lando played the team game, gifted Oscar another win? ‘Amazing overtake’ under DRS…. Piastri normally finishes a rather significant delta behind Lando. Lando held Perez up so OP could win. Let’s see what happens in Singapore. Will OP return any compliments? Not sure he will. If I were Lando i’d focus on the WDC and let McLaren’s bungling political ineptitude machinations confound them.
Ok.acer12 said:
Diderot said:
Anyone else here thinking, like Hungary, Lando played the team game, gifted Oscar another win? ‘Amazing overtake’ under DRS…. Piastri normally finishes a rather significant delta behind Lando. Lando held Perez up so OP could win. Let’s see what happens in Singapore. Will OP return any compliments? Not sure he will. If I were Lando i’d focus on the WDC and let McLaren’s bungling political ineptitude machinations confound them.
Not sure if you are serious or trolling!acer12 said:
Diderot said:
Anyone else here thinking, like Hungary, Lando played the team game, gifted Oscar another win? ‘Amazing overtake’ under DRS…. Piastri normally finishes a rather significant delta behind Lando. Lando held Perez up so OP could win. Let’s see what happens in Singapore. Will OP return any compliments? Not sure he will. If I were Lando i’d focus on the WDC and let McLaren’s bungling political ineptitude machinations confound them.
Not sure if you are serious or trolling!RB Will said:
MustangGT said:
Indeed I do. Where was Max yesterday? Well behind his team mate. Driving a lonely race for most of it. Put him in a mid-field car and he is nothing special. I do not think that being overtaken by Lando without a collision is worthy of special note, Lando was much faster than Max was. Should they have had a coming together the stewards would have been very interested. None of his moves were noteworthy in the slightest. In fact, he drove properly yesterday, I am surprised you should think this worthy of mention?
Think you are going off on a different conversation here. I didn't say his last 2 race performances were anything spectacular or worthy of note, I'm just using them as the easiest most recent in a long line of examples of him driving in a way you seem to want to stand by saying he is incapable of. You have also gone from saying "I think he is one of the fastest drivers out there" in your previous post to "he is nothing special", so not really sure it is worth continuing this conversation.
Alfa numeric said:
deadslow said:
Hamilton is often/always held up as an exemplar driver on these pages, and he was nothing special in Baku, only scraping a point through the misfortunes of others.
...from the pit lane.deadslow said:
Alfa numeric said:
deadslow said:
Hamilton is often/always held up as an exemplar driver on these pages, and he was nothing special in Baku, only scraping a point through the misfortunes of others.
...from the pit lane.BunkMoreland said:
This. I should clarify I don't think Lando should "cross the line" But they need to go up to the line. And whilst MV, AS and MS always went OVER that line. Its important for your rivals to know you are not a pushover. And frankly Lando IS a pushover.
Lando just needs to toughen up.Prost was smooth and yet tough.
deadslow said:
Hamilton is often/always held up as an exemplar driver on these pages, and he was nothing special in Baku, only scraping a point through the misfortunes of others.
Having made up places from 19th and a pit lane start. How many places did Max make up? Let's see, started 6th, finished 5th, gifted 2 places in the same way as Lewis. That is a net loss of one. As I said, nothing special.MustangGT said:
deadslow said:
Hamilton is often/always held up as an exemplar driver on these pages, and he was nothing special in Baku, only scraping a point through the misfortunes of others.
Having made up places from 19th and a pit lane start. How many places did Max make up? Let's see, started 6th, finished 5th, gifted 2 places in the same way as Lewis. That is a net loss of one. As I said, nothing special.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff