Fogliacattivo to Arrivabene?

Fogliacattivo to Arrivabene?

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Derek Smith

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35,079 posts

196 months

Sunday 7th October 2018
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Ferrari have historically blamed the bloke in charge. The results have been poor for the team. Are Arrivabene's days numbered?

HTP99

15,332 posts

88 months

Sunday 7th October 2018
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I thought he was rumoured to be off to Juventas (or some other football team)?

Personally apart form the startegy errors this year I don't think he's done too bad, they also need to be looking at their lead driver too!

ELUSIVEJIM

7,731 posts

99 months

Sunday 7th October 2018
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Derek Smith said:
Ferrari have historically blamed the bloke in charge. The results have been poor for the team. Are Arrivabene's days numbered?
Ferrari, as we all know, has signed Charles Leclerc and let Vettel's number two go.

I think Ferrari know who the issue is in the team.

rdjohn

3,866 posts

143 months

Sunday 7th October 2018
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Yesterday he followed the example of Moreno and publicly blamed the team for errors. I think that they both should go, before too long.

I think if Marchionne was still in charge, he would be gone, however Camilleri and Arevabene have similar CVs and I suspect that he may be given a little longer. He could even stay on if LeClerc starts to show Seb has weaknesses, like Danny Ric did.

Teddy Lop

1,986 posts

15 months

Sunday 7th October 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Ferrari, as we all know, has signed Charles Leclerc and let Vettel's number two go.

I think Ferrari know who the issue is in the team.
and, perhaps more importantly, the Italians, the tifosi can clearly see who to blame.

You'd expect with the passing of the boss and Kimi off and charly incoming - possibly creating a uh, dynamic situation - they'll want the stability and experience option at the helm.

But does arrivabenne have it in him, he looks haggard, Google for pics of him from '14.

pgh

1,467 posts

140 months

Sunday 7th October 2018
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Teddy Lop said:
and, perhaps more importantly, the Italians, the tifosi can clearly see who to blame.

You'd expect with the passing of the boss and Kimi off and charly incoming - possibly creating a uh, dynamic situation - they'll want the stability and experience option at the helm.

But does arrivabenne have it in him, he looks haggard, Google for pics of him from '14.
I miss Domenicali, not sure Arrivabenne was an upgrade.

Pericoloso

41,310 posts

111 months

Sunday 7th October 2018
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Is the word replace missing from the title ?

Is Fogliacattivo a person ?

lauda

1,723 posts

155 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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According to this month’s Motor Sport magazine, Arrivabene was on his way out at the end of this season to be replaced by Mattia Binotto. Apparently Marchionne’s decision.

Believed to have now been undone following Marchionne’s death.

Teddy Lop

1,986 posts

15 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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pgh said:
I miss Domenicali, not sure Arrivabenne was an upgrade.
I always had the impression Stefano was a bit of a lackey for montzemolo, rather than someone allowed to lead.

HTP99

15,332 posts

88 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Teddy Lop said:
pgh said:
I miss Domenicali, not sure Arrivabenne was an upgrade.
I always had the impression Stefano was a bit of a lackey for montzemolo, rather than someone allowed to lead.
like Horner to Marko then?


Edited by HTP99 on Monday 8th October 16:58

Europa1

9,201 posts

136 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Pericoloso said:
Is the word replace missing from the title ?

Is Fogliacattivo a person ?
I suspect it is a play on (Italian) words.

Teddy Lop

1,986 posts

15 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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HTP99 said:
like Horner to Marko then?


Edited by HTP99 on Monday 8th October 16:58
Not completely different, although I think Horner's leash has the roam he requires to operate.

ralphrj

2,922 posts

139 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Pericoloso said:
Is the word replace missing from the title ?

Is Fogliacattivo a person ?
Google translate says that 'fogila cattivo' is 'bad leaf' but not sure how that works either.

I think the OP missed an opportunity to go with 'Arrivederci to Arrivebene?'...

Pericoloso

41,310 posts

111 months

Monday 8th October 2018
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Europa1 said:
Pericoloso said:
Is the word replace missing from the title ?

Is Fogliacattivo a person ?
I suspect it is a play on (Italian) words.
First thing I did was try translate.
It means bad leaf if you split the word in 2.
I also googled it but this thread was first hit and didn't search further.
Hoping Derek can enlighten.
I was typing whilst Ralph posted same thing.


Edited by Pericoloso on Monday 8th October 17:06

pomodori

191 posts

27 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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I'm interested in an explanation of what this means too.

Pericoloso

41,310 posts

111 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Still nothing from the OP.

I'm going to keep asking until an answer is forthcoming ,or told to F off....biggrin

Derek Smith

Original Poster:

35,079 posts

196 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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pomodori said:
I'm interested in an explanation of what this means too.
I used an online translation, despite being able to make myself understood in Italian. I just went with it without checking. Doh! The idea was to have an obscure going bad, but, it seems, the obscure aspect was too bene.

There's a fair bit in Motor Sport this month on Ferrari. It looks as if Arrivabene will not be going, at least in the short term. Still, who can say with Ferrari politics. There is a bit of resettling going on after the death of Marchionne. Given their interpretation, it might be that the Ferrari fall off in competitiveness has something to do with internal wrangling for position. Who would have thought?

Ferrari is aligning itself with RB to form an alliance against Merc, at least that's the suggestion. I can't see it myself.


Pericoloso

41,310 posts

111 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Thanks for explaining.

I wasn't being awkward ,just a tad confused ,which isn't difficult......jester

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Derek Smith

Original Poster:

35,079 posts

196 months

Tuesday 16th October 2018
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Pericoloso said:
Thanks for explaining.

I wasn't being awkward ,just a tad confused ,which isn't difficult......jester

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You were confused! Once the questions started coming in I checked, just to be sure, and I could not replicate the answer.

My bad.


pewe

558 posts

167 months

Tuesday 8th January
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Derek Smith said:
I used an online translation, despite being able to make myself understood in Italian. I just went with it without checking. Doh! The idea was to have an obscure going bad, but, it seems, the obscure aspect was too bene.

There's a fair bit in Motor Sport this month on Ferrari. It looks as if Arrivabene will not be going, at least in the short term. Still, who can say with Ferrari politics. There is a bit of resettling going on after the death of Marchionne. Given their interpretation, it might be that the Ferrari fall off in competitiveness has something to do with internal wrangling for position. Who would have thought?

Ferrari is aligning itself with RB to form an alliance against Merc, at least that's the suggestion. I can't see it myself.
Prescient words.
They are blaming lack of success to "management failures" - no sh*t Sherlock - strikes me it's a poison chalice for whomever takes up the post.
I did however say when he was originally appointed that Arrivabene would morph into Andatomale - should have had money on it, though to be fair a 4 year tenure at Ferrari isn't bad.
Now let's see if RB pops his head over the parapet again...