Fogliacattivo to Arrivabene?

Fogliacattivo to Arrivabene?

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Max_Torque

14,396 posts

165 months

Tuesday 8th January
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arrivabene >>> partenzamale

Nors

1,262 posts

103 months

Tuesday 8th January
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pewe said:
Prescient words.
They are blaming lack of success to "management failures" - no sh*t Sherlock - strikes me it's a poison chalice for whomever takes up the post.
I did however say when he was originally appointed that Arrivabene would morph into Andatomale - should have had money on it, though to be fair a 4 year tenure at Ferrari isn't bad.
Now let's see if RB pops his head over the parapet again...
Ferrari, whilst maybe good profit margins, are still a low volume manufacturer compared to Mercedes. I know, they have the 'might' of the Fiat group behind them but even then, will still fall way short of the Mercedes empire.

In this business, money talks, bull*hit walks...

I know there's been lots of effort to try and level the playing field, but in my opinion, the regulations also favour (reliability for example) favour those with money to get the R&D correct to maintain these requirements.

Whilst expertise and correct appointment of suitable individuals will always help, the likes of Ferrari / RB will always struggle against the huge corporate machines such as Mercedes.


Teddy Lop

1,986 posts

15 months

Tuesday 8th January
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Nors said:
Ferrari, whilst maybe good profit margins, are still a low volume manufacturer compared to Mercedes. I know, they have the 'might' of the Fiat group behind them but even then, will still fall way short of the Mercedes empire.

In this business, money talks, bull*hit walks...

I know there's been lots of effort to try and level the playing field, but in my opinion, the regulations also favour (reliability for example) favour those with money to get the R&D correct to maintain these requirements.

Whilst expertise and correct appointment of suitable individuals will always help, the likes of Ferrari / RB will always struggle against the huge corporate machines such as Mercedes.
huge corporate machine means nothing without the right people, try telling Toyota or ford or Honda.

tigerkoi

2,927 posts

146 months

Tuesday 8th January
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Nors said:
Ferrari, whilst maybe good profit margins, are still a low volume manufacturer compared to Mercedes. I know, they have the 'might' of the Fiat group behind them but even then, will still fall way short of the Mercedes empire.

In this business, money talks, bull*hit walks...

I know there's been lots of effort to try and level the playing field, but in my opinion, the regulations also favour (reliability for example) favour those with money to get the R&D correct to maintain these requirements.

Whilst expertise and correct appointment of suitable individuals will always help, the likes of Ferrari / RB will always struggle against the huge corporate machines such as Mercedes.
I’m not sure you can alliterate the Ferrari F1 team scenario equally with the Mercedes F1 operation.

Please correct if wrong, but still believe Ferrari don’t break out individual figures for its F1 effort as it’s a division of the manufacturer not a separate entity owned by a corporation (like Mercedes). Things might be less opaque since the float but still think this to hold.

And as for Mercedes, the F1 unit is a completely separately company which has part ownership by IPIC (formerly Aaber). Even though Uebber, Seeger and Kallenius (executives) are jointly on the boards of the F1 operation as well as on Daimler AG, its not within their gift to funnel funds and resource of the senior corporation as and when they see fit to racing duties - no. Under basic corporate guidelines, the partly owned F1 outfit has to wash its face like any other company entity.

On top of that, Woolf is fairly proud of mentioning the fact that the F1 company produces growing turnovers ($275m+) of which Daimler inputs perhaps 10% of that.

To underline: F1 remains highly integrated within Ferrari’s operational costs; Mercedes F1/Brixworth etc is a separate entity at the perimeter of the Daimler AG empire that is more a marketing line item than the recipient of massive board spend. And manages itself accordingly.

Nerdherder

1,650 posts

45 months

Thursday 10th January
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ralphrj said:
I think the OP missed an opportunity to go with 'Arrivederci to Arrivebene?'...
Hahaha, indeed.

P.s. Inglourious Basterds screwed up my mental image of that word.

sparta6

1,440 posts

48 months

Thursday 10th January
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tigerkoi said:
To underline: F1 remains highly integrated within Ferrari’s operational costs; Mercedes F1/Brixworth etc is a separate entity at the perimeter of the Daimler AG empire that is more a marketing line item than the recipient of massive board spend. And manages itself accordingly.
In essence Mercedes F1 is a British company that markets German cars.

Brexit might put a stop to that biggrin

Derek Smith

Original Poster:

35,079 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th January
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pewe said:
snip . . . to be fair a 4 year tenure at Ferrari isn't bad.
That's the answer to why Ferrari have so many problems.

Bullitt Five-Oh

876 posts

15 months

Tuesday 15th January
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Derek Smith said:
pewe said:
snip . . . to be fair a 4 year tenure at Ferrari isn't bad.
That's the answer to why Ferrari have so many problems.
Did you see his wife, with that MILF in bed and in paddock I'd also struggle to focus on task at hand.

majordad

3,205 posts

145 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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That post is no good without a picture

Stan the Bat

5,094 posts

160 months

Tuesday 22nd January
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majordad said:
That post is no good without a picture
Presume this is her.


Bullitt Five-Oh

876 posts

15 months

Wednesday 23rd January
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Stan the Bat said:
majordad said:
That post is no good without a picture
Presume this is her.

i.e. her